5 Important lessons from the Ferguson Shootings

Emotions are still running high following the August 9th shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO, just outside of St. Louis.  But if you step back a little bit, there have been some incredibly valuable lessons that could just keep you alive if you ever find yourself in a self-defense situation…regardless of whether it’s with a firearm or if you’re empty handed.

They span the gamut from time distortion, shot placement, self-defense psychology, and more.

One thing to keep in mind is that we don’t know exactly what happened yet.  Don’t get emotional about what you’re about to read…I’m merely using headlines and storylines that are in the news (that may or may not be true) to illustrate realities that may help keep you alive.  The stories and storylines may or may not be accurate, but the lessons most definitely ARE accurate.

Lesson #1:  You’re living in the past (One possible reason why Michael Brown was shot in the top of the head)

The coroners’ reports show that Michael Brown was shot 6 times, including once in the top of the head and some in the media are saying that there was no rational reason why this should have happened.

One theory is that Brown ducked his head to attack the officer.

For the purposes of this article, the reason doesn’t matter…but it’s vitally important that you understand the physiological reality that may very well have been at play.

It takes your brain half a second or more to consciously process what you see.  In other words, what you think you’re seeing right now really happened half a second ago.  This is the basis for many slight of hand tricks that you see in magic shows, bars, etc.  For some people, the delay is slightly shorter than half a second.  For some people, it’s significantly longer, but nobody consciously sees in real time.

This often plays out in self-defense shootings where the attacker is shot a couple of times in front and once in back.  Because of the half second that your vision lags behind reality, it’s entirely possible to see someone moving towards you while you’re shooting even though they’ve really turned their back to you already.

Moral of the story…don’t put someone in the position where they feel they need to shoot you and then expect them to stop shooting when you change your mind.

Something else to realize is that it’s entirely possible to see someone with their hands by their side when, in reality, you’re seeing where their hands were half a second before and they’re really in the process of drawing a gun or lunging at you with a knife.

What this means is that it’s entirely possible that the officer may not have seen Brown’s head duck until after he fired.

Why is this important?  Because when you KNOW that reacting puts you behind the curve, you can change your plans and tactics to take it into account.  You can set your triggers for when to take action and what action you’ll take based on knowledge of this built-in delay.  You can also your range to someone who’s being aggressive, knowing that if they’re too close that they can strike you without you even seeing it coming.

How can you use it to your advantage?  Well, this reactionary gap is longer when you’re talking.  So, don’t get involved in “conversations” when fractions of a second are critical and DO try to get your attacker talking if you want to get the jump on them.

And remember, a LOT can happen in half a second.

Lesson #2:  Know your target (One possible reason why Brown might have been shot 4 times in the right arm)

Brown was shot 6 times…4 times in the right arm and twice in the head.  When people are in a hyper-adrenalized state, it’s normal to focus exclusively on a perceived threat and shoot at it.

It’s one reason why many attackers are shot in the hand that they’re holding their weapon in.

In this case, it appears as if the officer might have seen Brown’s right hand as the biggest threat and shot at it.

I don’t know how many shots were fired yet, but I do know that the average hit ratio for law enforcement is in the 15% range and the fact that the officer hit Brown with 6 rounds shows a high level of proficiency.

But the 4 rounds that went into Brown’s arms were completely ineffective at stopping the threat.

This illustrates why it’s so important to program your mind to see PEOPLE as weapons and arms, legs, knives, and guns as mere tools.  Specific spots on or in the body that will effectively stop the threat should be your target, not the body as a whole or the most scary limb.

Take away the will or the ability for the mind to fight
and the attacker’s size, ability, and tools cease to matter.

How do you do this?  With internal and external dialog, mental rehearsal, and practice.  When you’re watching a TV show and see an attacker (regardless of what tool they are using for their attack), program yourself to identify the person (not the weapon) as the threat and determine how you would stop that threat.

Lesson #3:  Bullet placement matters.

Again, take emotion and right/wrong out of the equation and focus on the storyline and the lessons you can gain from them.  The officer hit Brown 6 times, including 4 times in the right arm.  In this case, 4 rounds to the arm were completely ineffective.  One round to the right part of the brain stopped the threat immediately.  The 4 rounds to the arm didn’t make the single round to the top of the head more effective…that single round ended the fight and stopped the threat.

In your training, don’t be content with merely hitting the target.  Spend at least some of your time shooting one hole groups as quickly as you’re able to and at as far of a distance as possible.  Remember, your groups will open up under stress, you’ve got a limited amount of ammo and time in a life or death situation, and you’re responsible for every round that leaves your gun.

If you need to use a firearm, knife, or strike to stop a threat, don’t aim for “the body”.  Pick specific targets (the smaller the better) that have a high potential of stopping the threat.

It’s not just the fact that only hits count, but only EFFECTIVE hits count.

Lesson #4:  Bullets don’t always stop threats.

If the reports are correct, Brown “bum rushed” the officer and absorbed the first 5 rounds without being deterred.

This reminds me of a conversation with a friend of mine who just got back from hunting in Africa.  He had a couple of clean kills where he took out the heart and at least one lung and the animals both ran more than 150 yards.

And another story where an officer put 14 rounds of .45 ACP hollow points into an attacker, including 6 center-of-mass shots, but the attacker kept on coming.

There are a lot of animals and criminals who haven’t gotten the memo that they’re supposed to give up when they get shot in the chest.

That’s why it’s important to remember that the only way to stop a threat instantly is to temporarily or permanently shut off the central nervous system…anything else is merely hoping that the attacker decides to stop.

When you’re training, incorporate this into your shooting and dry fire sequences by switching how many rounds you fire and when/if you switch from center of mass to central nervous system.  If you have a training partner, keep shooting until they say “he’s down,” “attacker down,” “he gave up,” or something similar.

Lesson #5: Don’t fear guns, knives, sticks, or other weapons

I have never in my life had a gun, knife, stick, or other weapon randomly decide to take action on it’s own.  Left alone, they’re all as dangerous as a paperweight.  There’s no reason to fear them or focus on them.  The human mind, on the other hand, is a completely different matter–it is the ultimate weapon.

One of the stories coming out is that Brown and the officer fought over the officer’s sidearm in the officer’s car and it discharged in the process.

I wasn’t there and don’t know what happened, but I do know that people have a tendency to fixate on guns in a fight and ignore the true weapon and true threat–the other person.

Take out your attacker’s ability and/or will to hurt you and the threat of the weapon they have or are trying to get goes away.

Again, as you’re watching TV or movies and see situations where people are struggling over a firearm or knife, skip back and rewatch it a couple of times, putting yourself in both people’s positions.  Try to pick out spots where you could take one hand off of the firearm or knife and jam your thumb into the other person’s eye, grab and squeeze their larynx, or chop their throat with your forearm—or any other action that would stop the real threat (the attacker) and render the gun/knife meaningless.

As far as resources for continued training, I’ve got a few recommendations:

For the empty hands combatives side, >THIS< is the training that I’ve used and recommended for almost 20 years, and it’s the same material that Ox helped teach Glenn Beck’s staff last fall.

On the firearms side, there are 4 resources that I’d like to recommend:

As far as the greatest bang for your buck, it’s impossible to beat Dry Fire Training Cards.  They’re used by dozens of Tier I and Tier II operators from multiple countries, are a tested and recommended resource for the National Tactical Officers’ Association, and are the single best tool that I know of to lock in lessons you’ve learned in firearms classes that you’ve taken.

They’ll help you quickly and affordably take the head knowledge from your classes and drive it deep into your subconscious so you can execute proper technique when stress is high and there’s no time to think through each step in the process of putting accurate rounds on target.  Learn more now by going >HERE<

Next, are former Force Recon Marine, Chris Graham’s 30-10 Pistol and retired Navy SEAL, Larry Yatch’s Concealed Carry Masters Course.  Ox is friends with both of these guys and was instrumental in the creation of both courses.

Chris’ course and Larry’s course are both awesome.  They have a lot of similarities and the easiest thing to say is that they harmonize with each other.

The courses are different and both exceptional in their own ways.  And, most importantly, they deliver both head knowledge (training) and a drills (practice) to help you hardwire skills into your subconscious so that you can execute them under extreme stress.

From a learning modality perspective, Chris’ is 99% written with some short supplementary videos.  Larry’s is 75% video with a written summary and drills guide.

30-10 Pistol is downloadable and Concealed Carry Masters Course is on 4 DVDs, comes with a book, and also has on-demand online content.

From a performance perspective, they’re both solid, proven instructors and courses.

Chris is one of the few guys who gets sent overseas/downrange to train military, other government agencies, and contractors in war zones between their missions.  He was a tip of the spear guy (Force Recon) who trains tip of the spear guys.

Larry and the Sealed Mindset crew were also tip of the spear guys (2 SEALs, 1 SF, 1 Force Recon, + SWAT) who focus primarily on law enforcement and civilian training.

Both guys have been there, seen the elephant (been under enemy fire), excelled as warriors, and are phenomenal instructors.

Both guys train operators who have/are going to see the elephant, and both have had students who are alive today because of training that they got from them within the last few months.

To learn more about 30-10 pistol, go >HERE< and to learn more about Concealed Carry Masters Course, go >HERE<

Finally, there’s a 4th course that’s completely different that I want to tell you about.  It’s the Deadly Accuracy Home Study Course from Matt Seibert.

It’s difficult to explain in a few sentences, but it is an incredibly high leverage training program that will help you rewire your brain to shoot incredibly fast and accurately under stress.  In part, it takes advantage of a little known hack that allows you to, at will, blunt the effects of extreme stress, increase the speed that you see from 2 frames per second to 18-20 frames per second, SIGNIFICANTLY increase the processing speed of your brain by switching it from sequential processing to parallel processing, and engages a mechanism in your brain that automatically centers your front sight to a tiny fraction of an inch.

Again, it’s crazy high-speed stuff, and if you’re interested in learning more, you can do so by going >HERE<

Normally, I don’t give you this many recommendations in a single article, but we’re living in crazy times and I want to get this information into the hands of as many people as possible AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

Thoughts?  Comments?  Experience?  Please share by commenting below:

About David Morris

David Morris is the creator of the Survive In Place Urban Survival Course, the Fastest Way To Prepare Course, Urban Survival Playing Cards, Tactical Firearms Training Secrets, and other books, courses, and articles on preparedness, survival, firearms, and other tactical topics. He lives with his wife, 2 boys, and 2 dogs.


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  3. Jackie Sampson says:

    What are the chances that all of this information will make it’s way to the attorney who represents Officer Wilson? A video of typical training instruction, with timed responses would sure go a long way to show a jury what actually occurred, in terms of reaction time. It drives me crazy when people, who call the police for any number of reasons, are so quick to attack the same police without knowing, understanding, or in some cases even caring about the specifics surrounding the incident in question.

  4. C.D. Keller says:

    I have been active Law Enforcement for the Past 42 years. As a Rookie in 1970 I was taught “Its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6” Believe it applies here.

  5. Re take them down with an attack to a vital part of the body, my wife was nearly run down by a youth on a bike. he was about six feet tall and built like a brick s—house, without thinking I stepped in front of my wife and extended my arm and fingers and caught him just below the adams apple . He went down like a sack of spuds and was incapacitated for some minutes afterwards during which I could have done some serious damage to him if I had been of that mind.
    Like the tips although not much good to us in the UK as we are not allowed guns to the extent you are.

  6. Heart pumping like mad… just had his eye socket punched… now being rushed and in fear of his life… A right handed person yanking the trigger… Of course the bullets go left, thus hitting him in the right arm! We are taught to keep shooting until the threat stops!

    This should be the perfect example to everyone of what can normally happen in a crisis situation when using a handgun for self defense!

  7. THanks for your excellent article on this issue tha thas brought so much clarity (missing from the mainstream British media) on the St Loius situation.
    Readers of your blog may well remember the London riots following the shooting dead of Mark Duggen by Londons Metropolitian Police. Due to misinformation and lack of information surrounding the incident, criminal and anti social eliments took full advantage of this to start an orgy of destruction when the police lost control of the streets in some areas of London.
    Mark Duggen was a well known ganster and drug dealer . the circumstances of his shooting centred around him throwing away his pistol when challenged by officers, he reached for another object (cell phone) which gave the officer the impression he had a further concelead weapon. Despite Duggen only being a quarter afro caribbean and 3/4 white, the word went out the polcie had shot an unarmed ‘blackman’.
    Conceal and carry is not an option under British firearms legislation but due to the many violent home invasions , gun owners here have considered teh posibilty of what to do to protect ones family and property in a situation where the polcie are unable to respond.

    • Arthur R Tenny says:

      Regarding Home Invasions, I don’t think calling the Police could ever bring help in time to do you any good. Unless you are just plain lucky, your first act needs to be aiming a weapon. After the smoke clears then call the Police and Ambulance.

  8. In regard to point # 1 – One of my dad’s pieces of “life” advice was “hit ’em while they’re still talking”. Years later I took a self defense class. As the instructor was using me for a demo, I hauled off & punched him in the face, then ran out of the room. ( he had a face mask on & I had boxing gloves) When I came back in he said “what the hell was that about ?” I told him my dad’s advice and that I just wanted to test it out. He said ” well, it worked, you were gone before I knew what happened !”

  9. GrouchyJohn says:

    CUDOS to the police officer that shot Brown. A Fox News Network report that I hadn’t seen until moments ago says the officer was “severely beaten” moments before shooting Brown, suffering a broken orbital (eye socket) and was taken to the hospital with his face massively bruised and swollen.

    Under the circumstances the ability to shoot well enough to take down a “bullrushing” 6’5″ 295lb 18 year old MAN – not a kid like every one is calling him – should be considered pretty damn good shooting. 2 head shots out of 6 with your eye all screwed up is better than some of us could do with both eyes working. The “hands up” part of the story was when Brown taunted the cop by raising his hands and hollering “you gonna shoot me?” right before he charged the cop that he had just beaten.

    The news networks are using a picture taken when Brown was about 14 years old in an effort to generate sympathy for Brown. They should be ashamed of themselves. But as usual, they aren’t.

  10. Wanting the High Roads says:

    It sounds like suicide by cop to me. From what I know the officer acted properly. One response might be to “take out the foundation” with a round to the pelvis. He might get one more step before going down. Of course he would still be a threat if he had a firearm.

  11. Joseph-Lee Morehouse says:

    Thank you for the insight in this mess.

  12. Many years ago studies proved if someone was coming at you with a knife, you had only 27 feet to drop him/her. As a police firearms instructor, this is what we taught both our recruits and in our advanced officer training. Later studies proved the distance needed to be extended to, I believe 31 feet. I retired 9 years ago and this may have changed since. The point is…If you don’t engage and stop the aggressor from those distances, he/she will get to you. Marty

    • Ordinary Joe says:

      Marty, how would this be shown to a jury, effectively? A video would be useful, know of any?

      • Massad F. Ayoob (Massad Ayoob Group – MAG) is an internationally well known expert in self defense and police techniques. He has trained LEO’s in these techniques since 1974. He has videos (which I have seen) demonstrating how quickly a knife wielding assailant, even very over-weight and seemingly unfit, can cover 21 feet to a police officer. It is less than 2 seconds. His point to officers in this situation, is that their sidearm should already be drawn and on target, as they will never have enough time to draw and aim, let alone warn the attacker, before they are on top of them. This is what needs to be shown to juries, in cases which have happened where I live. The attacker was often fatally wounded by the police, and their families always want to know why the police killed their relative. “He was fifteen feet away and only had a steak knife” is an example of their argument. Why doesn’t anyone seem to feel that LEO’s also have a right to go home intact to their own families?

  13. I did not know–and so far have not heard (other than here) that the officer had an injury to his eye!!
    But had he not had an injury to his eye, my thing has been for years—-especially with the training the officers get on the firing range (I am thinking that their shot accuracy is much higher than 15%!)—-just go for the knee, or foot! This way the offender cannot charge with a knee or foot injury! And if they do charge, it will be very reduced than if there was no knee or foot injury! This has the advantage of keeping the offender alive and able to stand trial–where justice can be handed down.

    • Hey John,

      A couple of things…

      First, national law enforcement hit ratios range from 15% to 25%, depending on who’s compiling the stats. True numbers take a LOT of effort, because many departments include sniper shots, suicides, mercy shots on injured wildlife, shots on dogs, and shots on streetlights in their statistics. There are many stories of officers hitting their subject with every round fired, but there are also many stories of officers emptying their magazine without hitting their target or firing upwards of 100 rounds to stop, but not kill, a subject.

      Second, N E V E R go for the knee or foot. There are a few reasons for this…
      1. You can only fire a gun if you are in immediate fear for your life or for someone else’s life. If that is the case, you don’t have time to try trickery and to “wing” the person who’s trying to kill you. Furthermore, if you admit that you felt such a small threat that you had time to “wing” the attacker, there’s a good chance that a prosecutor and trial attorney will use that as proof that you didn’t truly feel threatened and weren’t justified in shooting.
      2. When an attacker is coming at you, the arms and legs are moving around MUCH faster than the center of mass. Add to that the fact that you’re aiming at where the person/limb was half a second earlier and you’re inviting failure by aiming at a small, fast moving target (knee or foot) as opposed to a big, relatively slow moving target (the center of mass)
      3. You are morally, ethically, and legally responsible for every round you fire. If you take a shot at a knee or foot, you’re increasing the potential of missing or shooting through your target and hitting innocent people.

      I would invite you to go to an indoor range and try one of Ox’s drills…
      1. Hang a silhouette target and cut a slit in the center of the neck and the center of the pelvis.
      2. Blow up a long, skinny “clown” balloon part way and insert the 2 ends into the 2 slits so that the balloon looks like it could be the spinal column.
      3. Run the target out to the end of the range.
      4. Have a partner start bringing the target back to you. As soon as the target starts to move, draw your pistol and fire until you hit the balloon or the target smacks into the muzzle of your gun.
      5. Count the number of rounds fired and count the number of rounds that hit the silhouette, and the number of rounds that hit a critical area on the target.

      This is an eye opening exercise that will give you a small taste of the time component of having someone rush you. Keep in mind that you aren’t in fear for your life when you’re doing this drill.

      As a modification, start the target at 21 feet and try the drill again. Adjust the target further out or closer in to see how far away it needs to be for you to get 3 solid rounds on target before it reaches you.

      Because of linear range constraints, you won’t be able to “get off the x” in this drill, so make sure to practice the drill dry with lateral movement as well.

    • Sorry, but you are way off base. First of all, unlike on TV, most officers are NOT excellent shots. And when you add the stress to the situation, most officers would never be able to hit such a small target. We are (were) taught to to shoot for ‘center mass’, which is generally the chest area. Shooting guns out of the hands of the bad guy, or shooting at the knee has never been and will never be taught. That’s fine for the movies, but never in real life. Marty

      • Ordinary Joe says:

        But Marty, shooting guns out of hands and shooting to “wing” someone, rather than kill, was seen thousands of time by me and my contemporaries: hundreds of cowboy movies and TV detective shows.

        This mind-set is what people arrive with to the jury box. Many love violence, with rules: football, boxing, MMA, even NASCAR. But frank violence repulses most people. They are a primed audience for the DA.

    • John, one more thing I forgot to mention. Training. Coming from a large metro police dept., after the academy, officers only got on average a mandatory qualification shoot every 3-4 months. My guess with the ammo shortage of late, even less. The average qualification for our dept.,, 24 rounds! Yes, the officers were encouraged to shoot on their own time, and we authorized 50 rounds per month. If you are an avid shooter, you know that is no where enough to stay/become an efficient shooter. As I said, I retired 9 years ago, and with the current budget problems and ammo shortage, for the average officer may shoot even less often. This is why I always encouraged our officers to become involved in competition shooting. Not only did they constantly practice, but competition always adds a little stress. Of course, this additional shooting was always on the officers dime. Dry firing is an excellent way to stay on top of your game. In my day, I can’t tell you how many bad guys I shot, dry firing at the TV set. Marty.

    • Joe Thomas says:

      Shoot to wound is a nice theory but does not work in pratice. People have taken center of mass hits and still kept coming. A criminal in the Atlanta area broke into a house and came after the mom & kids hiding in a closet. She shot at him 6 times and hit him 5 times mostly in the chest. He was still able to run downstairs and out of the house before hitting the ground. Shoot to wound is a very good way to die. If you put your head in a lions mouth and the lion bites if off, do not blame the lion. If you threaten someone &/or their family, don’t be mad when they kill you. Don’t want to die, then don’t go there. I don’t put myself in a situation where a cop has to or can shoot me.

      • Ordinary Joe says:

        The late Robin Williams had a bit in a comedy routine. To paraphrase, we don’t want cops to shoot to kill. Maybe shoot to make you feel bad for a while. There was mentions about the Ferguson cop using a Taser instead of live ammo.

        We really don’t want cops to shoot us or choke us out when we are drunk, disorderly or want to mix it up with cops b/c hey, we all like to get drunk or high or both and fight when in this condition. We want to sober up like Otis in Mayberry. This is where the continuum of force comes from, I suppose.

  14. Oathkeeper says:

    Very true. Much of what David says is backed by experts at Force Science Institute and by Retired Lt. Col. David Grossman who is regarded as the guru of deadly force encounters.

    • Ordinary Joe says:

      Oathkeeper, expert testimony would be key to get this info before a jury. If a defendant in a self-defense shooting trial, saying this would likely be seen as self-serving BS, and dismissed by many. Will look up Force Science Institute.

  15. #3 reminds me of reading about training in the Continental Army…and the focus on aiming for the gold buttons on the redcoats. Specific small targets rather than just a shot at the silhouette. The shot will likely not hit the ‘button’ but overall effectiveness will be much more accurate when all other variables come into play.

    Great article and things to remember and practice!

    • The next time you go shooting, do this. First shoot at a 3″ spot target, say at 21 feet. Rest and do the same at a 2″ spot target. Then at a 1″ target. I promise your groups will get better the smaller the target. Works every time as long as your fundamentals remain consistent. Marty

  16. Joe Dredd says:

    One point about the policeman’s shot placement… they now say that his left orbital eye socket had been blown out by the thug when he attacked the officer in his car. It’s amazing that he was even conscious and probably unable to see very well if at all out of his left eye. Which might help explain the shot placement down the left side of the perp’s body.

    Next time I’m at the range, I’ll be doing some strong eye/ weak eye drills, that’s for sure.

    • I read that last night as I was queuing this up. That’s a horribly painful bone break to have happen.

      Changing facts on the ground are why I tried to emphasize looking at lessons that could be gained from particular storylines, regardless of whether they ended up being true or not.

  17. Michael McNeill says:

    I apparently started the “movie commentary” thing with my kids many years ago without even realizing it. Today, my 2 youngest girls watch movies or TV shows and shout out fight moves or shots that should have been taken – “head-butt opportunity!” “Bite that finger!” “Why didn’t he knee her in the crotch right there?” And so on.

    I try to stress to them that anything can be used to injure or kill -either used by them on bad guys or used ON them BY bad guys. It isn’t “one mind, any weapon” but “one weapon, any tool.” Don’t get fixated on “one true response,” but “respond now and gain time/space to respond better.”

    • It would be fun to be in the rom listening to that…but does kneeing ‘her’ in the crotch hurt? I have no idea? 😉

      • Great catch and question.

        The crotch is a good target on both men and women.

      • In our dojo there was a woman that thought it was funny to kick the men in the crotch. She also thought she was immune to retaliation in that area. With one educational kick Sensei changed her views on humor and invulnerability.

      • Michael McNeill says:

        Nerve clusters are nerve clusters – any nerve cluster that can create intense pleasure can create intense pain.

  18. Ordinary Joe says:

    Forgot, thank you for this. Police expert on CNN did not explain these points.

    • and you thought that CNN would let Police explain this?

      • Ordinary Joe says:

        May have been Fox, don’t recall. Expert was limited only by time. He could have address what Dave has hit on here, I suppose, if he was aware. I assume he was not. Said he was in courtroom during the Zimmerman trial, don’t know if he testified.

        He did say, from the accadamy, he was taught if a bad guy says he is giving up, but continues to punch you, he’s not giving up. He could have tied in the time/delay factor Dave addresses.

  19. Ordinary Joe says:

    You know, most of the community has no idea about what you just said.

    Hands up don’t shoot apparently doesn’t stop shooting, all the time, from what you say. These are the people on the jury who the DA will play to: why did you shoot when he had his hands up? Why did you shoot when he was all of 12 feet away? Why did you not shoot him in the leg? Why did you not shoot to wound?….

    Jury will eat this up, b/c this is the world they live in, never having been in adrenalized state. Even if were, did not realized time/distance distortion when they were in it. May not believe your explanation, even if offered by combat vet or expert.

  20. You are confusing brain processing time with reaction time. MIT study shows approx 15millisecond processing speed vs 100millisecond shown previously. Reaction time is approx .5 seconds

    • Hi KCM,

      Thank you, but I think you might be confusing the issue. As an example, if processing only takes .015 seconds, what’s eating up the rest of the .5 seconds? And why do reaction times drop down to the .25 second range in cases where the thought is all sub-conscious if it’s not a difference in processing speeds?

    • There is no study that says combative reaction time is .015 seconds. You can take a simple test on line that asks you to hit the space bar when you see a colored dot. It will take you approx 1/3 of a second and that is with nearly zero movement time. You are confused about the issue. We are talking combative reaction time in a complex situation. Numerous studies have shown officers will fire 1-3 rounds even after the subject ceases to be a threat before they can stop firing.

      • Here’s an example of that…Ox’s high speed splits with his Glock 26 are .16-.18 seconds. Some guns/people cycle faster, some slower. A full-auto Glock 18 will cycle about every .05 seconds. Anyhow, .16 seconds is 6 shots per second or 3 shots per half-second. With a half-second reaction/comprehension delay, 3 rounds would be very easy.

      • Ordinary Joe says:

        Bravo, this is a big factor, flied in the face of Hand Up, Don’t Shoot chant. Makes sense to the lay-man, which we all are, unless you have the Tempe Az study info.

        I could see how in combat you would send as many rounds down range, as fast as you could in a life-saving desire to eliminate the threat that is trying to take your life.

        Vet her, shot at girl when she drove her truck at him trying to punk him out. Several shot in back of truck and one in her back killed her. Community members said shooting in back was not self-defense. He was guard at night club. I guess it put him back in Iraq where you didn’t stop shooting when BG’s tried to leave.

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