OPSEC: Unveiling Weak Points in Preparedness

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-David

Your comments about the National Geographic movie, American Blackout >HERE<, unveiled difficult issues that are directly related to survival; the first being that no matter how prepared we feel we are, there is almost always room for improvement.  As a result, today’s post is all about addressing these issues in more detail.

This time around, I thought we’d open up the various issues with an in-depth discussion amongst the readers. If you’re new to prepping, or are unsure of a work-around to overcome a particular issue, now is an excellent time to ask. David, myself, and many of our readers have years of practical experience and skill-sets that can point you in the right direction!

It was interesting to read the differing opinions about how soon a full-blown meltdown would begin in a grid-down scenario. Which camp are you in…do you believe looting (or worse) would begin within a few days, or weeks, or months and why?  This is a golden opportunity to discuss specific potential outcomes after the masses start finding empty grocery store shelves, sinks that don’t work, and toilets that don’t flush.

It was said in the movie the thousands of people who were stuck on subways and trains were forced to find “alternative transportation” which I’m sure we all agree would be close to impossible…unless you count walking as “transportation.”  What would your approach be if something similar happened to you? Are you in good enough shape and have adequate footwear with you at work and on your commute to hike for hours or longer to return home? What about safe travel tips and navigating unfamiliar neighborhoods?

Grid-down could open the floodgates of our criminal justice system, allowing criminals to escape as well as giving violent parolees an opportunity to go back to their old lifestyles.  This would occur in both urban and rural settings. It’s an issue we’ve touched upon in previous articles, but a discussion worth re-opening.  Have you thought ahead for such a possibility?  Do you know where the sex offenders and violent parolees are in your neighborhood?

After the blackout, cell phones and computers failed, but throughout the 10-day grid-down vigil, there were ongoing T.V. and radio broadcasts. How realistic do you believe this aspect of the movie was?  If you have experience with alternative forms of communication such as ham radio and 2-way radios, your feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Clearly, the movie did not address the issue of the lack of sanitary conditions due to the water and the sewer systems going down, nor did it depict the lack of garbage pickup. Have you planned ahead for dealing with the lack of sewer and water, and have you made provisions to dispose of garbage when it becomes necessary like what David covers in FastestWayToPrepare?

With the use of candles, lanterns, camp stoves and generators, fires were reported as being out of control. People were unable to call for medical help. Are you prepared to handle a medical emergency, or a house fire when emergency services are not available?

(David’s note:  Furthermore, do you have a good stock of LED lights and batteries or rechargeable batteries and solar/crank chargers to limit your risk?  Take it one step further…if your neighbor burns their house and yours down because their dog knocks down a candle/lantern, your house will be just as burned down as if you did it yourself.  If you can, consider stocking up on small LED lights/lanterns that can be recharged and given to neighbors to create a buffer zone around you.  Costco has 6 packs of AA powered LED candles right now that we’ve started using on our fireplace mantle in place of candles and we’re very happy with them.  FYI, we’re in nighttime potty training mode with our boys and we also use them in the bathroom in the middle of the night and their soft light has been working much better than headlamps or nightlights.)

Those who watched the show probably caught the segment where an unprepared yuppie penthouse couple had snagged a can of peaches, then the man had to fight a desperate father who wanted it to feed his child. After winning the fight over the can of peaches, the couple walks the 46 floors upstairs to their penthouse…only to realize their only can opener was electric. At the beginning of the blackout, cameras panned to people digging around for candles, lanterns and flashlights. Did this segment have you questioning your own dependence on electricity? Have you already planned ahead? If so, please share any tips you may have!

The results of the grid going down 10 days never addressed the threat this would pose to nuclear energy plants. Do you KNOW whether they’d be able to shut down gracefully or have a catastrophic failure?  This isn’t an area to guess on or parrot stuff you’ve seen online.  People’s beliefs about what they think will cause them to take appropriate action, regardless of whether they’re operating on reality or falsehoods.

During the movie, a ham operator announced that guns and supplies were being confiscated and noncompliance was met with deadly force. He advised listeners to stay armed and defend those supplies. Do you agree with this advice, or would you walk away?  In other words, would you stay and fight in a bad situation or relocate to a fallback position that was more defensible?  (Some people WANT to go down in a blaze of glory more than they want to survive, and others are mentally sharp with degraded bodies that can’t relocate.  There is no simple, one-size-fits-all answer to this question.)

In the movie, the entire U.S. grid went down, yet on day 10, it was operational once again. How realistic do you feel  this would be?

Although it was conveniently glossed over in the movie, hospitals, the fire department, and police were shown being overwhelmed and unable to respond to emergencies. Do you feel it is realistic to expect emergency personnel to continue to show up to their jobs, rather than stay at home to protect their loved ones? Have you planned ahead for fire and medical emergencies, and if so, what are your recommendations?

Several readers posted >HERE< the importance of a group to share responsibilities to survive a long-term crisis. Do you agree, or do you feel your family could make it without outside help?

Now on to the Prepper…

American Blackout showed several different mindsets from the viewpoint of individual characters, but what the family of preppers were confronted with brought up some very important questions for preppers.

When the grid crashed, the father impulsively invites his daughter’s boyfriend, Jason, with them to the family’s bug-out property. As the storyline moves along, it becomes apparent that this young man does not  respect the father’s need to protect his family above anything else, nor does he seem to appreciate (at least at first) the help he is offered.  Furthermore, he doesn’t appreciate the need for OPSEC (operational security), and disagrees with the prepper’s refusal to tell the neighbor about their supplies and give the neighbor stuff when he asks.

What’s your take on this? Was it wise for the prepper to invite Jason to the family’s bug-out? Would you have done anything differently? How do you feel about inviting extended family members or friends into your home during a crisis when they do not have any training or understanding of what it takes to survive a long-term crisis?

(David’s note:  One of the things that my wife and I identified is that they didn’t have any kind of a “contract” for Jason to agree to before coming along.  We don’t either, but we’re working on one now that we could have people who want to join us read, agree to, and sign before joining us in the 11th hour.  Of course, we realize that people in that situation will sign and agree to anything, so the next layer to the equation is deciding, in advance, how to compartmentalize information so that if these people get stupid, the amount of valuable information they have will be minimal.)

Another difficult issue concerns helping others in need which was addressed in the movie.  The producers chose to use this to cast preppers in a bad light for the most part. If your neighbor came for help–hungry and thirsty–how would you handle it? What about helping a total stranger? Would you hand them food and water or do you feel it would be too dangerous to reveal you have anything to spare? Do you have a workable solution towards helping others and still keep your loved ones safe?

In American Blackout, the mother and their teenage daughter appear to be disinterested in the father’s preparedness, even when that some drive and determination is protecting them from hunger and thirst. How do you feel disinterest, or denial among family members impacts a prepper’s ability to prepare?

When Jason is caught handing the neighbor food in the dead of the night, the prepper tells him that his actions have jeopardized their safety, but does not demand that he leave. There are no consequences or explanations…just dictatorial monologue.  (Which we all know works INCREDIBLY well on teenage boys)  Would that be your reaction, or do you have creative consequences in mind that would put correct incentives in place to encourage good behavior in the future with minimal friction?

Later in the segment, the preppers 11 year old son is threatened when his neighbor and several of his friends tell him he won’t get hurt as long as he takes them to their food storage. The “decoy” food the father put out on shelves for just such a contingency is thus looted. Soon after going to the underground shelter, the father watches from a overhead, outdoor camera as the neighbor and his friends return and discover valuable supplies. The father leaves their underground bunker to protect their supplies alone and is overtaken by knife point by one of the looters.  How do you feel a situation like this should have been handled?

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If the movie did nothing but unveil soft spots in our preparedness and wake up those in denial, it was a valuable must-see. Please post you questions and comments below, so as a group, we can become better prepared!

For concrete, step-by-step ways to prepare yourself and your loved ones for local, regional, and national disasters like what we discussed today, check out the SurviveInPlace.com course, the FastestWayToPrepare.com course.

Chapters  27 and 28 of Implant are posted. For Chapter 27 Click Here . To read Chapter 28, Click Here …and happy reading!

 

God bless and stay safe,

David Morris and Survival Diva

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

  1. That 25 years was what I worked in the industry. Reactor operator on submarines in the Navy and as an operator in a civilian plant.

  2. Nuclear power plants have backup generators to ensure an orderly shutdown, just in case. After 25 years in navy and civilian nuclear power they will be fine in a grid down situation. Backup generators have enough fuel for weeks of operation.

    On the Chernobyl incident – they bypassed every safety system in the plant to get maintenance done. That accident never should have happened and all the plants in the US have containment buildings to contain accidents. Think three mile island where nothing was released.

  3. Deck Hazen says:

    I believe that the most important asset a person can have in an extended event is a cohesive community. I think there are some 6 or 7 families in my immediate area but we’ve lived here a year now and I only know 4 of them and I have raised the topic of prepping with only one and they didn’t seem very interested.

    My expectation is that once the gravity of a collapse sinks in, all of my neighbors will be willing to work together collectively and I’ve stocked extra food and supplies to share (ok, partly as a bribe).

    I believe that an economic collapse is the most likely problem and I don’t believe there will be a recovery in our lifetime. We will need to adjust to a new simpler normal.

    The greatest danger we will face, I think, is roaming gangs but I’m hoping that my neighborhood will coalese into a defense force in time to meet this challenge. I will hand out copies of the post from “Carl from Coastal MS” (thanks Carl) to motivate them.

    I would appreciate any thoughts on how to approach neighbors without scaring them off.

  4. Joseph L M says:

    I have seen more entertaining movie that had more reality to it, now that I said that. It did open my eyes on a few things that I need to add to my prep list. I also have 11 elders in my group they would be the first victim if the SHTF if we can’t get them to my house. I found prepping is the most expensive thing you can do and most wasteful if you don’t think it though – this is for the new preppers don’t buy anything until you sit down with family and close trusted friends – talk about prepping and make plans -make a list of thing to start with -the basic’s, food , water a place to put and so forth.
    When you start prepping ,think about why are you prepping , it not a fad or latest crazy it a life style that reflex being prepare and ready for most problems that may happen .
    Another way of looking at it think about how your grandparent lived a hundred years ago , most grown a lot of there own food and canned it, they cut wood to keep there homes warm ,they had wells for water and storage barrels to store water and so forth.
    Most had home remedies to cure sickness and new how to take care of cuts , broken bones , they knew how live without all this modern convinces , they knew how to live a simple life without all the gadgets we have today.
    The move show how every think when to hell in a week, That seems too fast- maybe a month seems more real. They gloss over sanitation without hardly a mention and the nurses son mention he gave the cat soda pop to the cat because there wasn’t no food or water. I would like if the movie would have taken experences from people that survived saitavo

    • Joseph L M says:

      Sorry my hand slip I meant to finish the sentence with – I wish the movie would have used experiences from people who survived major disaster.

  5. I watched it last night on UTube, for those that didn’t get to see it. lean water will be an issue, buy a Sawyer water filter on Amazon for about $60, filters to .2 microns gravity fed. be able to capture & store a lot of water from rain gutters. Buy bags of rice and sterno or some other indoor safe cooking set-up. Hungry people see you cooking outdoors will invite themselves to your picnic. Bags of rice and Ramen noodles are cheap and will keep you alive. Learn now to sprout, for important nutrients. Keeping your immune system up will save lives. Se yourself up NOW so you don’t need to venture out THEN. Bucket flush toilet if you have plenty of rain water. Keep a bike in the car if you travel long distance to work with good LED flashlights and duct tape available. Keep a backpack of supplies in the trunk too if you are caught away from home. Sawyer portable filter is cheap. Ordering another for the car. The boyfriend would have been sent home on the way out of town. Anyone coming along needs to be 101% on board or not brought. Anyone found purposely violating security gets tossed. Too many lives at stake to entertain stupid hangers on. The people in the elevator lasted how long on 1 small battle of water? Uh huh. Preppers fence was laughable. Try razor wire coils in a smaller perimeter. Large population areas will go bad faster than most rural areas, plan on the worst so you aren’t left under prepared. Do SOMETHING every week, even if it’s just buying 1 bag of rice. Every week purpose to be more prepared than the week before.

  6. I haven’t seen the television program, not having had a television since 1987.
    I spent a decade in telecommunications as a transmitter engineer, radio station chief engineer, and two-way radio technician. Out of the dozen or so stations I worked for and in, only the first had a backup generator at the transmitter site. It was a propane fueled Onan, which I was tasked with maintaining and tested during my weekend part-time job. I only had to use it once, but during my employment there, it ran for several days when the power got knocked out during a snowstorm, during the week. Another time, the CE sent me out to the transmitter site on a snowmobile to relieve the transmitter supervisor, who had spent a couple of days there, already.
    I have a deep cycle battery in my full-time residence, a 1/2 ton van, that was connected with an isolation relay in the previous van, but which I have never gotten reconnected in the new one. Instead, I’m finding that using AA dry cells to power my shortwave radios and light sources is much easier. I have been using this, which I just posted a review about:
    www.amazon.com/Dritz-942-Flexible-LED-Light/dp/B003V41DBW/ref=sr_1_2?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1383414226&sr=1-2&keywords=dritz+light

  7. To me the hardest part is getting the family on board to make the hard decisions. You can talk about it early on and have preps ready, but until everyone is in agreement on what to do your group/families are weak and subject to manipulation by others.
    I think planning to share some is a good idea and to seek others cooperation is the better plan than forcing a “shooting” situation. Are you willing to seriously injure someone for a bag of rice? The time to think about it is before it happens. BE PREPARED mentally and emotionally.

    • I don’t have a family, but if I did, I’d pull the main breaker some night after everyone else is in bed, and let them discover what might happen, while they can learn how to deal with it in a non-life-threatening manner, IMO.

  8. I must agree with several commenters who say that a recovery window of 10 days in a scenario such as this is highly unlikely.
    With that in mind, I would like to share some information I read in an article by a man who spent a year or so in a country where all infrastructure had collapsed due to a civil war (I think it may have been Bosnia but not sure). He said the one thing to stockpile so that you could use it to barter with, and you could practically name your own price, was a…disposable lighter! Since reading his article, anytime I go through a checkout line I grab one or perhaps several 7-packs of Scripto Views lighters. These are better than Bic brand because you can see how much fuel each has left. I have over 200 so far and when the SHTF I’ll have plenty with which to barter.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Lighters would be excellent for bartering! They are cheap and aren’t as risky as bartering something like bullets or high-ticket items.

      • Don’t forget cigarettes (any cheap brand will do). You wouldn’t believe what some smokers will do for a pack (or less!) of smokes.

        • Good point, Sandy, although even the cheapest cigarettes are pretty pricey and even unopened will go stale after awhile.
          At Walmart, if I recall correctly, the 7-pack of Scripto “Views” are only $1.99, which breaks down to only 28.4 cents per lighter. If you barter one lighter for a day’s food for your family, for example, that’s a pretty good trade…for both parties.

    • I would recommend a fire starting kit, with petroleum jelly and cotton balls for kindling. I use BBQ grill starters until the piezo sparker quits, long after they run out of butane, to light my propane stove. My blue flame heater has one built in.

  9. Candles, candle making supplies, flashlights with spare batteries, solar yard lights, kerosene lamp, coleman lantern, propane lantern, and oil lamps. Because of redundancy I can light with whatever fuel is available.

    The daughters new boyfriend would be left behind. One that had been around long enough to have a history with the entire family would be judged on that experience. The right kid would be an asset. the wrong kid….

    It would not matter if the TV station had power, my TV would not. They could transmit till the cows came home nobody would be watching. Then again, this was a movie let’s not get too tied up with reality. There are plenty of lessons to be learned here.

    A first aid kit is of little use if you don’t know how to use it. Take an EMT class. Better yet volunteer on the local ambulance squad. Not only will you develop medical skills but you will learn how to keep you head and function as a team in an emergency.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Caribou,

      It’s good to see you on the forum! I agree with you about the boyfriend and an EMT class is essential for Preppers. Even when a member of a group or family has medical experience, there are no guarantees they won’t become ill or die…this is where redundancy is critical!

      • I am all for getting whatever training you can. But bear in mind that most EMT and first aid training is based on stabilizing the patient until you can get to a doctor/hospital, usually with 30 minutes. What do you do if professional help is a week away? We also need to train as well in how to triage, set bones, attend bullet wounds, treat disease, etc, when there is and will be no doctor or hospital. It’s a different mindset.

    • Most of us don’t have the option to volunteer on a ambulance squad because most of them have been professionalized by the risk-adverse governments that they serve under. I took an EMT course in the mid 80′s, and I keep the textbook on board in my library.

  10. Need some help here’ I am faced with a situation and know no solution. In our family
    group,that we paln to help feed and work together to survive’ We have 2 males that are
    on meds for psycotic issues. What happens when the meds run out and they may become
    depressed or worse,violent??? Have no idea how to deal with this and would appreciate
    any info anyone can give’ Bless you all’

    • Hipockets;

      Try asking their docs if they will prescribe an additional 90 day emergency supply of their critical meds. Many docs will do that willingly, with the exception of narcotics and the like. You will most likely have to pay out of pocket for the additional supply of meds, but it would be worth it in the long run if you need to use them.

      Once you have the meds in hand, I strongly suggest that you then pack and seal them in a vacuum sealed bag — the same type of bag and sealing apparatus used for food. Then, put the evacuated, sealed bag in a dark, cool place in the house. This process removes the major enemies of drug efficacy — light, oxygen, moisture and heat.

      We have done this with our BP and arthritis meds, as well as a few surplus antibiotics that we did not use. The only downside to this is that some may say there will be a gradual loss of efficacy of the stored drugs. My response is “What would you prefer — to use slightly lower efficacy drugs, or NO drugs?”

    • I, also, asked my doctor for extra refills of my thyroid meds (non-narcotic), and he gladly complied although the pharmacy balked at giving more than one refill in a short period of time. I told them I was going to be out of the country for an extended period and was stocking up in advance and that worked. I’ll have the doc do the same thing next visit, and so on.

    • Any of us with permanent (chronic) medical problems have to consider options. Besides the situation you describe, it includes people with asthma, diabetes, and so forth. First, is to ensure you have a 40-day supply of meds to go with the rest of your stockpile. Beyond that, research alternatives, if any. There are some things which can work, even if not as well. Examples include herbal treatments, essential oils, acupuncture, and hypnosis. And most importantly, you have to have a plan in mind, and create your mindset, about what you will do if there are no treatment alternatives which work. This is a part of prepping most of us don’t want to think about. God bless.

  11. I watched the show and I must say it kept my interest. It also made me think about where my preps are lacking. We need to have an extra supply of pet food and we definitely need more water. I also need to find an inexpensive way to cook our food indoors in case bad weather prevents us from cooking outside. Our family would be sheltering in place if at all possible. We’re all old folks (my mother is 92) so we’re not in the same shape we were years ago. Plus our transportation is unreliable. The good thing is we know our neighbors pretty well.

    As for Jason, I probably would have taken him along, but I would not have told him about the supplies in the bunker. Having been a military dependent for many years, I learned all about need-to-know situations. And, why was there no emergency exit in the bunker? There is always the possibility that people could be trapped, either by an emergency or by marauders. There should always be more than one way out.

    I also agree with the ending of the show. The power comes on and everyone is happy? Come on now. I’m surprised that they weren’t all singing Kumbaya. It seemed like the producers were running out of time and needed to end the show quickly. And getting the entire country back on-line in 10 days? I don’t think so.

    As for the rioting? In the large cities – maybe. Many people, like the yuppie couple, are probably used to eating out every day and keep few supplies at home. I don’t know how my town would handle it. Most people I know have more than one day’s worth of food in the house. But I could be wrong.

    All in all, I thought the show gave me something to think about. I figure that I’ll never be prepared for everything, so I prepare for what I see as possibilities for my family. And another thing that I thought about – was it just a coincidence that they showed this movie a couple of weeks before Grid Ex 2013, the days they will be testing the grid? I don’t believe in coincidence, by the way.

    • I did not watch thew show but am a facilities professional who has worked on and managed electrical power distributions systems.
      Fortunately the power companies have installed computer control systems in power plants that are not tied to the web. Just like the virus that took down the Iranian nuclear progran seperation gas centrifuges, the virus would have to be physically placed into the system. A nation wide blackout is unlikely. After the widespread blackout of the Northeast US and Canada, the utilities have put controls in place to prevent another cascade failure, i.e. where one small failure causes a another failure, etc, etc. Cosmic events such as a Gamma ray burst, meteror, etc are so catastrophic that lack of electricity will be only a minor problem. Nothing will help with gamma rays and little can be done to prepare for catastrophic cosmic events. An EMP(electromagentic pulse) could take out all 3 grids and fry all powered electronic devices if a nuclear detonation occured 300 miles above the central US if the device were large enough. Difficult to accompolish unless you are a super power and even then early warning systems make that difficult. Since every powered electronic system in you house, car, etc will be fried, it does not matter if you have power. Your TV, telephone, ignition system in your car, controls on your stove (if electronic), etc, etc will all be toast. Lockheed Martin has developed and sussessfully tested an EMP deivce. Killed an entire fake military base. Killed the power, fried all computers, killed communications, etc. Rendered the base useless. Popular Mechanics had an cover article about EMP weapons about 10 to 15 years ago. Small EPM devices are being used by the military to disable vehicles when they drive through. Again possible but not likely nationwide, possible locally by accident or terrorism in the future. EPM can also come from outerspace but little can be done to stop them. Faraday cages can be constructed around things to shield them from EMP but this is difficult on a large scale and not absolute. The military has some facalities that are shielded. If you have a permanent backup generator I suggest that you put a Faraday cage around it. Info on them and EMP is available on the web. The main cause of a widespread blackout will be our failing infrastructure. We are headed for disaster in this area. Some areas will be effected and some will not. It surely will not come on all at once and in some situations could be weeks or months. The military does have communications systems with backup power supplies so communications will be available(I was a DOD contractor for 20 years and have seen &/or worked on these systems). Hospitals unfortunately have a few days of fuel for backup power unless it is natural gas which will still be piped. Gas utilities have natural gas backup generators and pressurized storage tanks for those generators in the event of a electrical outage. I strongly recommend a small generator for outages. It does not take much power to run your refrigerator, a vey few lights, especially if flourscent, and your natural gas furnace blower and controls. If you are not qualified, please get an electrician to assist. Do not try to run electrical appliances that produce heat, i.e. range, dryer, hair dryer, space heater, clother iron, etc, these require too much power for a small generator and can cause a fire. More than the essential will require a permanent whole house generator and an automatic transfer switch (ATS). Yes those that have the necessary knowledge can get away with a larger portable generator and the proper wiring but if not qualified DON’T DO IT.

      One post asked how long before looting, social unrest, rioting etc. Looting will be almost immediate in low class areas, just look at the New York City during any blackout. Yes I did use the term low class on purpose. Crime will escaulate qiuickly in cesspools such as NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Newark, Miami, etc. This happens during a one day blackout, forget 10 days. When the generators that keep the sewage pump stations run out of fuel(hours not days) and cannot be replenished, then sewage will flow into the creeks(sewer lines are gravity flow and pump stations are in the lowest points which are usually near creeks) water will become contaminated. Fortunately I have a septic system and have recenty had it serviced. High population will go the hell quickly and since the thin veneer of society does not stop Chicago from being a killing fields on any given weekend, forget it when the bottom falls out. My wife is from the Middle East and I have lived thru social unrest. It gets very ugly, very quickly.

      As to your cooking in a grid down situation inside, I would like to suggest a camp stove. Available at Walmart and other stores. Coleman and others make a two burner model that is great. I have two of these, one that uses liquid fuel and one that uses disposable propane cylinders. I like the propane one best. You just have to crack a window near by to supply conbustion air, same as any open flame. They also make ovens, coffee pots, and other accessories that work on top of the stove. I have used the oven during a one week power outage. The stove folds up for storage and easy of transport, it is designed for camping, so does the stove. I do not have the drip coffee maker, I just heat water and do it the manual way. I also have 2 single burner units for camping emergencies. I also have a folding single burner that used a propane/butane mix found in sporting goods in short, fat cylinders that I got off Amazon fot $6. Good for backpacking and will heat very well. Use it to heat water for coffee, freeze dried food, heat soup, etc. Please beware, all produce an open flame and can cause a fire if proper precautions are not taken. Just common sense. I use the stove on top on my regular range since it is noncombustable and since that is where you usually cook, more convenient. These also work as additional space for large meals such a Thanksgiving. No I do not work for or own stock in The Coleman Company, actually most of my stuff is another brand. I also have small folding metal “stoves” that use fuel tablets, I beleive they are often referred to as Ebitts stoves. The fuel tablets are expensive so I made emergency candles out of empty tuna cans, cardboard and parafin. Clean can, cut cardboard box into strips not as wide as the can is tall. place the strips in a spiral fasion into the can starting with the outside edge first, fill the entire can, melt parafin(can be founf at Walmart in the jelly section under the brand Gulf Wax), pour into the can until the top, let cool. This make a candle with a big round flame. Light the entire surface, put in folding stove, p[lace flameproof container on top of stove arms and heat. Good for small contrainers, does not spill like Sterno and the cans and cardboard are free. Take melting the wax as parafin is flamable. Info on the web.

      I have survived two different week long power outages, one in summer and one during a 36″ snowstorm. We had wood backup heat and with the liguid fuel stove were able to be warm and eat well. We also had the good fortune to have both a well and a spring feed water supply. Swapped from well to spring when the power went down. Also hauled toilet tank water from a local creek. We had plenty of food stored. My mom grew up during the Great Depression, nothing great about it but the suffering, so she did not let stores run too low. I am not a Morman but have great respect for them when it comes to being ready. It use to be a requirement and now highly recommended to have a years worth of food put back. This is what I am working on. The LDS has a preparedness book that not members can download online. Very good info. Remember when the botton falls out for whatever reason, nothing is more valuable than shelter, food and a way to cook it. You cannot eat gold, silver, etc and no matter how great an athelete, actor, singer, writer, etc you are these are are useless in hard times. I have to use for these highly overpaid, nonproductive types. Plan for the worst, hope for the best and handle what comes. Use it up, wear it out or do without.

      Cosmic events I can do little about, pandemics can only be slightly prepared for, nuclear war then we are toast, natural disaster I have prepared for as best as I can, what scares me the most is economic collapase and the social unrest that will follow. Other disaster people will be busy trying to “dig out”, repair the damage, look for shelter, etc, basically busy trying to recover. Economic collapase will leave a lot of people with nothing to do but get ugly.

      My 2 cents worth.

      • MikeyLikesIt says:

        I would think that if your biggest fear is economic collapse, you would want to also have a small stash of gold or silver to use as money when the fiat bills we are used to using rapidly lose their value. I would recommend everyone stash away some junk silver to use to enable commerce at least locally. Pre 1965 silver quarters half dollars and dimes are 90% silver and easily stored.

      • Survival Diva says:

        Joe,

        Thank you for all that you’ve written here. The information will help so many still trying to figure out what to plan for and how to survive it once it happens.

        I agree with you about an economic collapse. It’s the one “known” event that is likely to take place (in my opinion). All the signs are there…

    • Buy 5 gallon food grade buckets & put the pet food in there (if you have any desiccant packets, this would be good to use), screw on the top & put in a clean, dry place. The buckets are inexpensive (5-8 bucks each) and we’ve stored food in them for years (pet food, too). Also, watch for coupons or store coupons for better deals on the food. :)

  12. Being an “old” Navy combat vet (69 Nam) I agree with Ranger Benson, I live in a very small farm town (pop 400) I know the people around me, I have been trying to be prepared fore some time now, but due to limited funds I due what I can. When it comes down to me and mine I will defend them to the end, the people in my area are some what insulated from what is going on in our country, they are mostly farmers and trying to make a living from what they can, BUT, If TSHTF I will do what I can to educate some of them, only if they know that I’m trying to help, other wise it’s every man for him self, AND I will not hesitate to shoot somebody trying to take from me and mine. I’ve been through TOO much to just give it up now. May the Good Lord help us in our hour of need….

  13. Curt Winterstein says:

    I didn’t watch the show, however, I feel I got some superior info right here reading the comments!! (I may not agree with everything, but it was sure something to think about….or should I say “Prep” about?) My one big concern is that I use a cpap Machine to sleep, so, does anyone have any ideas on that? I have gone camping and use a power inverter hooked up in my vehicle and that works….but also means that I’m kinda tied to the vehicle. Thanks everyone! Great Ideas!!

    • Curt;

      Last week, my son, grandson and I were deer and elk hunting in the Colorado mountains (specifically on Black Mtn). In our campsite was a father-son group. The father (age 85) needed oxygen 24/7 and they used a Honda portable generator that made VERY little noise while running. There was another group that used (abused?) a 7KW heavy duty generator that kept everyone in the campsite awake. I suggest that you look into purchasing one of the Honda or similar small generators to power your cpap machine at night. It makes little noise, so would not be a big red audible flag that someone was dependent on the electricity being generated. Be sure to go for the quietest model sold.

    • Gramma Lynne says:

      Curt ~ My daughter uses a CPAP. I don’t know how much electricity they require, but I know it isn’t much. If you live where you could safely use a small photovoltaic solar system (say, just one or two panels) you could possibly set that up with a small inverter to charge a couple of batteries that would hold enough power to last you through the night, then re-charge during the day. Even just a south-facing window would probably provide enough sunlight to do the trick.
      Another option that would possibly help enough would be to sleep sitting up – maybe in a recliner. It won’t give you the most restful sleep, but it will most likely keep your airway open sufficiently. My husband’s uncle did this for many years before there were CPAPs and he lived to a ripe old age.
      I’m personally not sure about a generator. Eventually they run out of fuel.
      Hope this helps . . .

      • Gramma Lynne;

        Good suggestion about sleeping in a recliner chair. Since 2009, I have had three shoulder surgeries that required me to keep my affected arm in a sling for 6 weeks afterwards. For about the first 2 weeks post-surgery, you are not able to lay flat due to the pain, such as on a bed, thereby requiring you to sleep in a recliner. After about the first night each time, I found it quite restful to sleep in the recliner. After all, I had many times fallen asleep in that same recliner while watching TV!

        This might be a far better solution than using either a quiet generator or a solar panel to power your cpap. Especially in an emergency. It is those times when we need to be creative.

    • CivilWarLady says:

      Curt, I would invest in a good generator and a good hidden place for fuel. Maybe a place to bury it underground far enough not to be found, but close enough to get in the black of the night. As for hiding the genny, I need to come up with an idea of this for myself. I am still new to prepping really.
      I have to bug in myself due to my bad knees and couldn’t run for my life if I needed to. I told hubby, who with my children, think that I am nuts, that we need to get rid of the current front door and get a steal door. Right now it is the original to the house built in 1922, all glass. I also had a sliding glass door put up in my back yard to let the dogs out in the fenced in area.
      I don’t have cable, so did not see the show either, but from the sounds of it, the boy would be locked out and the prepper just did not think about being found. Have to think of those things.
      I have just started canning, so I am getting something done.
      I know my neighbors and we help each other out now. Not sure when things go down though because they have a much bigger family.
      I know how to cook outside over a fire, even in the rain. We have also survived a house fire once.
      I do have to start more prepping when my son moves out because he ate all of storage food.
      I don’t have many firearms, but taking them out for the first time this weekend to shoot at least one of them.
      If I had a fallout place, I would not leave it because then it opens your family up to harm.
      My problem would be my meds.

    • I lived for two years on a sailboat with a CPAP. I had a good size battery bank, a small solar panel, and late in the trip a wind generator. Of course the alternator on the engine was available most of the time. I always had plenty of power for the CPAP, lights, radio, and radar. Even when the engine went out for a couple weeks till I got a new fuel pump. The trick is redundancy.

    • Your only other recourse is a small generator. We bought it specifically for that. Another option is to lose weight (if you’re over weight) and get down to a solidly healthy BMI. Most people that lose the extra weight find they no longer need the Cpap machines.

    • doug vail says:

      If your sleep apnea is considered mild to moderate an oral device may be all you will need. There are a lot of things that contribute to sleep apnea that may decrease your need for a CPAP. Sleeping on your side can help . Losing weight can help. No alcohol in the PM can help.

    • Curt, I also use a cpap machine. I’ve found that those anti-snoring mouthpieces will work well when camping and such (as long as I don’t sleep on my back).

  14. One aspect not addressed is that of “mercy members” of your group. As an example, my wife and I are 70, live alone, and are reasonably well prepared. My 97-year old mother lives about 90 minutes away in a nursing home. If we could make it happen, we have agreed that Mom would be a mercy member of our group. She could help with limited tasks — obviously contributing less than she would cost in food and supplies. My 88-year old brother-in-law had one leg amputated. We have agreed that he would sit on the front porch with a rifle and shoot anyone (read that as ANYONE) who comes onto the property uninvited. Others on our (very) short list are known to be hard-working contributors. But, what about those mercy members? We have made our list and are comfortable with it. What about you?

  15. The USA is essentially on 3 giant grids. East, West and Texas. The hackers would have to simultaneously sabotoge all three to be nationwide. Power would be restored one grid at a time. Transformers and other overloaded equipment would have to be replaced. How do you order equipment when there is no communication? How do you know what you need, until you can get crews out to inspect and test? Each crew would have to have its own armed security detail. Each plant would have to be inspected thoroughly and tested before starting up. The equipment is manufactured in other countries. More delay to transport to us. Someone from the electric utility monopoly would have to tell us how long that would take. But I give it a minimum of 6 months to over a year. Of course the large cities and the government always have priority (elites). It could take years for fly over country and smaller communities. Even longer for rural areas. The post about American Virgin Island was enlightening. I remember reading the novel “the stand”. (never saw the movie) When the good group arrived in a city in Colorado (as I recall). They started to repair the electric service there for that town. If there is a hydro plant nearby, I suppose it could be done on a small scale. However, before they flipped the switch, they went from house to house shutting off all the electrical appliances or all electricity for that house as to not overload the system when they started. Again, an electrical engineer would have to bring some knowledge to this discussion whether that is necessary. It seems when power goes off on a smaller scale around here, no one turns off their appliances and everything is fine. I still turn off my AC/furnace, computer and other sensitive equipment to avoid power surges. I don’t know if that is necessary or not.

    I concur that the news is censored even now. It will be even worse in an emergency.

    I have flash lights all over the place. In a blackout situation, one is always nearby. Plus, I routinely walk around the house with all the lights off and know where everything is.

    It would have been nice to have two preppers. this one and one who did it right to compare. But even the best prepper will have holes they did not foresee. Letting in the teenager was an emotional decision. One we are trained repeatedly to avoid. It would have been costly had the movie not ended. I believe that his whole family would have been dead.

    • Electrical can openers can still open can slowly.

    • CivilWarLady says:

      I have a small supply of glowsticks in my back pack. My kids asked me why. Well you can see where you are going a and the smaller ones you can leave a very small lighted path with if you need to find your way back out of somewhere. The larger ones will last up to three to four days.
      I also have oil lamps that I keep up so my dogs can not knock them over with their tails.
      Another good idea is those small solar lights that people use for path markers. Our power went out one time and I was not even in a prepper mode too much then, but I was able to go outside and get a couple of those to light up small places until the lights come back on.
      Just a couple other options than oil lamps, candles, and the such.
      I wish they would put this movie on their site already.

  16. What about Nuclear plants going China Syndrome ? That was not even touched on. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but anyone who lives close to these things will not make it no matter what your preps are. Chernobyl made a lot of areas inhospitable . Our East coast has many. The East coast will be a radio active wasteland as well as some parts of California. I hope I am wrong, I don’t much about Nuclear power plants and am only guessing.

    • CivilWarLady says:

      My friend doesn’t live too fat from on in PA and she said if something happens, they would be dead before they knew anything happens.

  17. The prepper in this movie was totally unwise, especially in taking no notice of his family and going outside to confront the crowd.
    Maintaining secrecy is vital if you plan to hide away somewhere, but the boyfriend sharing the food was logical once the neighbor knew they had a stockpile, except how do you stop this info spreading?
    But I like the idea of sharing with others … the principle in the Bible is “He who waters will himself be watered.”

    • Rob, I tend to agree with you. I think the “prepper” make the mistake of alienating his neighbor right from the start. Since he had the “take away” food closet, sharing some of that with the guy with the warning that “I don’t have much, not enough for everyone, but I can help you a little.” Then adding something like, “WE – (including the neighbor now in on this) have to be careful that others don’t try to take what little WE have away” thus he would be enlisting his neighbor rather than turning him away at gunpoint. He should NEVER expose his hidden cache, but perhaps showing the neighbor the ‘take away’ food, so that the neighbor can see how little there is. Also bring the neighbor into discussing about how the neighbor could doing some hunting and sharing what HE killed would also be appropriate. The discussion should always be a two-way street and the neighbor should understand that he has to give in this situation as well. If nothing else, using the “give away food” to enlist another hired gun on your side is a benefit.
      Also, if he had some way to get water for the guy, like a pump or something, give him some water. Enlisting the neighbor to his cause would be a lot more advantageous that attempting to defend against the whole neighborhood once the neighbor goes out and tells everyone else that that guy has a LOT of FOOD and WATER. (The very rumor of it going from person to person would have exaggerated the amount the food stored away)
      The “prepper” does not have to, and should not show everything except those with a ‘need to know.’ But getting the neighborhood together to discuss mutual sharing and working together would be much preferred than the “Alamo” mentality that he exhibited. Most country folk usually have a little something put back or some skills that can be contributed. In fact, the “prepper” should have been working on getting to know the neighbors to begin with, while not giving them reason to believe he was stockpiling anything.

      • AF Defender says:

        Major Dad, you have some very valid points, although some of them would be better off if used prior to the emergency. For instance:
        Alienating the neighbor – If the neighbor approached by himself, the prepper should not have introduced the firearm into the situation. The firearm signals that I have something to protect. Explaining to the neighbor that you have nothing to spare and you are hungry yourself… then offering to go and help search for something with them later on when it is safe would have been a better option.
        Offering them a small token of your food supply would be an invitation to have a mob beat down your doors. When your family is hungry, a person will do anything to feed them. Unfortunately, the love for blood relatives will extinguish the bonds of neigbhorly love in a heartbeat. How many people would allow their parents, siblings, and children to starve when the neighbor has food?
        If the prepper has failed to convince their neighbors to band together and stockpile food for their own families prior to the emergency, then it is best not to expose their preparations.
        One thing I have noticed in some of the other postings is that preppers have discussed cooking of food. In a long term emergency situation, nothing screams “I have food” louder than the scent of hot food. Walk through your neighborhood some night and see what different scents are emitting from the various homes, then do it after fasting for a day or two and see how much more intense those fumes tantilize your taste buds.
        To those who would have kicked out the boyfriend when he give the food away, you would only compound your problem. While he remains in your custody, so does the blueprint of your home. The only solution would have been to quickly load your bug out vehicle (in the garage) with as much supplies as you could carry and get to a secure secondary location. (Kick the boyfriend out along the way.) No house is going to be able to withstand an onslaught of a hungry mob… without air support.
        Lessons from areas involved in civil unrest such as Eygpt and open warfare such as Yugoslavia have shown that the key to survival is a low profile. Anyone that had something that others desired, and let it slip, paid with their lives.
        That being said, the crucial time to convince your neighbors to prepare is now. Doing things like placing leaflets/flyers on their door in the middle of the night with ads and tips from prepper sites, along with articles describing events in other parts of the world along with headlines of flash mobs, power outages, tornadoes, snowstorms, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, and volconic activity in the US, will allow you to help your neighbor without compromising your security.

  18. Concerning, “After the blackout, cell phones and computers failed, but throughout the 10-day grid-down vigil, there were ongoing T.V. and radio broadcasts. How realistic do you believe this aspect of the movie was? If you have experience with alternative forms of communication such as ham radio and 2-way radios, your feedback would be greatly appreciated!”.. We live an hour from a major city, in a smaller city of about 100k. We have established a radio network of trusted individuals within our city covering all parts of town. We use this to rely information about the situation as we see it on the ground. News reports will be limited to what the authorities want us to know; not what might actually be going on. We saw this first hand over the last two years as fires have devastated many homes and neighborhoods, forcing wide spread evacuations. News is filtered and censored in an emergency, we saw it first hand, there can be no denying it. So, even it the TV and radio stations are operational, there can be no confidence the truth is being told. Also, news reports will not be as events happen, so having your own eyes on the ground able to commincate with others you trust can give you a big advantage in planning things, for example, if you were to be forced to leave your location for another. We have expamnded that network across the state as well. You have to be your own reporters.

    • Curt Winterstein says:

      One thing that came to mind about the ham radio network, was if the Govt. could block, or somehow mess with ham transmission and reception??

    • Hi, Don,
      I admire the setup you have with others in your city and their radios, but I have a question. Do all of you have some reliable alternative form of power such as generators, batteries or solar hookups to run the radios?
      I do know that most commercial radio & TV stations have generators that automatically kick in when power is lost. The question would be how much fuel could they access. And how many people have alternative sources of power they could hook their TVs up to? Not many, I’d bet.

      • dodger,
        We do have alternate power, but the 2 meter radios all have a seperate battery pack that can take rechargables and solar capability to charge the batteries.
        We also do plans to come up on the air at specific times if need be.
        Curt above mentioned the possibility if the “gov” could jam civilian transmissions. They could, but that would jam local officals too, so they probably would not. Now it is a fact they can restrict the use of all freqs to approved/emergency comms, but its takes a lot to run down transmissions, if they are short. We don’t plan on having long conversations in any event.

      • Yes you can block radio transmissions. Simply tune your transmitter to the frequency to be blocked and key the mike. Then whoever you have blocked changes frequencies and continues their conversation.

        Nuclear power plants CANNOT go prompt critical (become a bomb), the fuel rods are too poisoned. The worst that can happen is a steam explosion or a core meltdown. Sorry no instant death, rather a slow and ugly one. Additionally reactors generate electricity so the grid down would not effect them and even if it did they all have an orderly shutdown protocol.

  19. Carl from Coastal MS says:

    Couple of things…

    First of all, we live in coastal MS and have lived through the last 40 years of hurricanes that have come ashore in the northern Gulf, including Katrina. During and after severe hurricanes ALL infrastructure and public services are out, including to a large degree, police, fire, and ambulance services, that are overwhelmed by demand and personnel shortages. For the most part, we Southerners and Coasties, have acted civilized through the sometimes weeks it takes to restore the basic infrastructure, supporting ourselves and those around us who were less fortunate (or prepared), but there are always the entitled who feel that the local, state and federal governments should be taking care of them and when that fails to happen, act out (or just wait for the infrastructure to fail). Consider New Orleans, post Katrina. The bad actors will begin doing their thing within hours or days, and it only gets worse over time, if you happen to live in the path of a migration away from a major metropolitan area like New Orleans. I didn’t think I would ever see the day that Americans would be fleeing their homes on foot, walking in groups down our interstate highway right of ways, with just the basics on their backs, like third-world refugees, but it happened here in MS, on I-10, after Katrina. I witnessed it, and it went on for days. Some of those refugees stayed in our area to swell the ranks of the bad actors, and others, normal, everyday folks desperate for the three basics, food, water and shelter, swelled the ranks of those putting demand our almost non-existent infrastructure, increasing our local recovery time.

    If you live in an urban or suburban area, during any disaster, whether natural or man-made, it is best to know which of your neighbors (in advance if possible) will be staying or bugging out, and put a neighborhood watch plan together if you have to stay because of your job or family responsibilities (we are healthcare first responders). Looters prey on vacant property or isolated residences. It is my experience over 40 years that roving gangs looking for free stuff will not mess with an organized neighborhood or group defending their territory…there are just too many other places for the gangs to go that do not present a risk and are easier pickings.

    Now for a tip for emergency lighting. We buy (and keep maintained) solar yard lights for our driveways, walkways and area lighting. These recharge even in light overcast, and can be brought in at night and stuck in a jar of sand or pea gravel, and will provide hours of non-heat generating light. Then just put them back outside during the day to recharge.

  20. RAGNAR BENSON says:

    First I would have shot Jason for handing out the food and his attitude in general.
    Take no one in that has not been include prior to an incident and that has not agreed to the rules, plus must be active in assistance prior to and not just lip service.
    The chance of grid recovery in 10 days after a full scale shutdown is impossible.
    unless there is a preplan to break up the grid into isolated sections for restart it will never happen. In my opinion it would take a year at the minimum. they would have to eliminate computer control of the grid starting at the generation site. The only way that the power companies would have to communicate for coordination purposes on a national scale would be HF sideband and they do not have that. most dept.’s have vhf trunking that relies on computer routing, they would be down, Their vhf is only good for local operation.
    I have been a HAM operator for a very long time originally holding W1HSQ as a call sign.
    Don’t bother looking it up the record is long past (40+) years. I have comm. equipment for HF, VHF and UHF. power out up to 2KW on ssb. My equipment is open to the entire spectrum , xmt and rcv. I have spectrum analyzers that can spot activity anywhere in the rf spectrum. Most important are the hf receivers, you can garner intel from anywhere in the world. I also have the means of generating power for a very long time, and it is redundant.
    I will not leave here, this is my “castle” I will die here. I will not give up my preps to anyone, Fools who failed to prepare can suffer the consequences. Neighbors and strangers get nothing, why should they??? They all had the same opportunity to prepare themselves.
    It is Christian of me to protect and provide for my family not to put them in jeopardy handing out our needed goodies, like any leech they will be back for more if you do. OPSC would be compromised if you let anything out. Those on the receiving end would be back or plotting to overrun you and take everything. I am not Santa Clause but the Grinch.
    Myself and our small group will defend against all.

    • Total agreement on Jason. 9mm behind the ear and shallow grave.
      “they will be back for more” – And WITH a whole lot more.
      Don’t plan to go solo, select few with similar mindset welcome to join and pitch-in, but no “good buddies” or second tier relatives.

    • Carl from Coastal MS says:

      I kinda felt the same way initially Ragnar, while watching the fool…even said “I’d shoot that SOB!”, but the issue with shooting Jason, is that your own daughter would have probably turned you in as a murdered, after the lights came back on 24 hours later, and law and order resumed…you would have had no legal defense for your actions.

      The prepper’s mistake, and I agree with others, was taking him in to begin with, not knowing whether he would be an asset or a liability, and let my daughter hate me while she stayed safe and sound.

      This scenario will happen, and as David has said before, even if you have a group with an agreed upon plan, when reality sets in and you have to make a decision on what to do about someone in your group that is not following protocol, things get hairy in a hurry. Restraining the individual won’t work and only make things worse, because the individual then becomes a nonproductive liability, consuming human resources who have to act as “guards”, and valuable space, food and water. Kicking them out only leaves you more vulnerable if the individual rats out your location and stores.

      This will ultimately be one of the toughest internal issues for a survival group to deal with…

    • lK Eppinger says:

      Well said! I agree, we all have the opportunity to be prepared for what-ever may come along.

    • what radio set up would you rec. for the average guy?

  21. Get the cheap solar pathway lights with on/off switches for emergencies or potty training at night. Keep them in a sunny window and they are always charged and ready to use.

    • Soylent Green says:

      I have kerosene lamps and Coleman lanterns. But if they aren’t ‘needed, and to conserve fuel for both, I recently purchased a very bright lantern style solar yard light that comes with a metal post to hang it on. In an emergency I can use it as a floor lamp or take it off and carry it around with me.
      I have a solar battery recharger and have purchased inexpensive D and C cell to AA cell battery converters for my flashlights and etc. to simplify things.

  22. Preppers need to remember that the angry mob does NOT stay the angry mob. Eventually leaders emerge, and clever plans are formed. Preppers are not the only ones sho will be using their brains in an emergency!

    Assuming a total shutdown, I would expect people to send cute children door to door, just to see who gives them food … gathering info on who to target. A bicycle going down streets, looking for lights and gardens, and the sound of generators. Gangs with leadership.

    The teenager? He has friends and family. Therefore taking him in is not just a matter of him not following prepper rules. What happens when he decides to gather his whole clan to your site? Or worse, decides his family and friends deserve your supplies more than you do? You are begging for a traitor situation!

    You cannot take in a person without inadvertently leaving a huge opening for his contacts.

    Operational security depends upon secrecy, but try keeping things secret from a scared, then bored, teenager. Your best bet? Give him some food and a few extra items, and map how he can try to make it home.

  23. northerncousin says:

    I thought the prepper guy was totally stupid. He not only took in the boyfriend on the spur of the moment without gaining any understanding of co-operation from him first, he then proceeds to show him all his preps when they arrive. It was foolhardy. Then when he leaves the bunker to ‘save’ his fuel, he leaves his family unprotected along with all his food stores. He would have known this scenario could happen and yet had not planned for this contingency. If push comes to shove, protecting your family and staying hidden within the bunker would have been better, rather than mosying on up to a group of looters with a single rifle and no plan. He should have cut his losses or hidden a secondary cache of fuel underground in a different area, leaving a half or third full tank in full view. Once the looters had taken what they wanted they would have left assuming there was nothing left and the family had abandoned their position.
    I thought they presented the yuppie couple quite accurately. They were clueless and had expectations that someone would rescue them. I agree that they did not show the lack of hygiene/running water in a bad enough light.
    As a nurse, I thought the nurse character calmly walking out the door and leaving her teenage son to fend for himself quite ridiculous. I can tell you, nothing and no one would separate myself from my family in this type of situation and if I were trapped in the hospital I would be walking out and making my long trek back home. Priorities!

    • Soylent Green says:

      Rather than burying another fuel tank and leaving it exposed as an ‘offering’ to looters. Why not just find (purchase) an old empty stationary tractor/truck refueling tank from an abandoned farm house and leave it where they can see it. They’ll either assume that somebody else emptied it before they got there or that you don’t have any fuel to start with. That would be a lot cheaper and you can keep ALL of your fuel buried.

  24. I have been reading your stuff for awhile now I find it interesting and informative. I have been in industrial construction for many years and understand a thing or two about logistics. I guess the most valuable thing to have , while you still can do it is to have layers of preparations available . The basic stuff, you know water filters , containers for your water, food supplies, ways to cook it , multiple supplies of the same thing spread out in different locations. First aid kits, vitamins , the usual sundries that will disappear in an emergency situation. the logistic part ? Get what you need now, while it’s still cheap and available . I concentrate on just a few things , I plan on networking, bartering on what I have for what I need, cause you won’t know what you need till you actually need it, and you can drive yourself nuts trying to cover all the bases.

    • Eye opener but in a few HOURS everybody will forget about it and about preparedness. If we get in debts for Chrismast presents, new stylist cloths, etc. why not use this “credit” in a more wise way. Even if any of this events never happens, you would still be in a better shape and safe. I agree with developing our physical strenths; the strong guy die helping the chubby ones. ???? Does it make sense but if they all would have been strong phisically no body would have die. Thank you everybody for the suggestrions. We should keep this blogg and help each other to get prepare.

  25. Enjoyed watching it and taking notes. Points included :
    Fitness – pull ups, hiking, rope climbs (even with say para cord)
    Photos – printed of family and individuals and laminated
    Being aware of where fuel depots are as well as FEMA centres etc
    Need for more than 1 in an assault team (generally families alone wont cut it)

    The other point was what happens post event – if my neighbour has just held a knife to my throat or stolen from me – how do you deal with it post event?

  26. Think about your druggie nephews who know where everything is. Should they even know that you have supplies and weapons? They will sell them without your knowledge long before the emergency.

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