Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For

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It’s Survival Diva again with some food for thought about societal collapse; what to expect and who to look out for. It’s an important part of the puzzle when you’re one of the few prepared to survive the coming onslaught. Some guesstimate preppers make up only 5% of the populace, but it’s my belief it’s closer to 3% at best, and more likely to be 1-2%. Many give lip service to prepping and claim to be prepared when the truth is they’re still in the “thinking” stage. 

They haven’t advanced to in-the-trenches preparedness that many need to do to get prepared faster, where dinners out, budget-draining vacations, and designer anything are put on the back-burner until the storage shelves are full, water has been stored, and must-have preparedness goods are crowding sheds, basements, or in a pinch; closets and under the bed.

To come out on the other side of a wide-spread crisis in one piece, even when you’re prepared, takes getting into the head of the majority of the population who are NOT prepared. If you’re successful, you’ll face, head-on, the darker side of humanity most of us would rather pretend doesn’t exist.

Yesterday I was given a small example. When purchasing another 20 buckets for food storage, a Home Depot employee kindly offered to help me load them into the back of my SUV. Looking at the 200 pounds of sugar and another 200 pounds of flour crowding the back—I’m planning to use it for barter when the time comes—he asked; “What’s with all the buckets and the baking stuff?” This was my cue to wake up another person who’ll be sorely disappointed when meals on wheels doesn’t come to their aid in a wide-spread emergency. Besides, I knew I could safely talk to him without worry of him showing up at my doorstep if things go south. I live 90 miles away and I pay with cash for my preparedness goods and NEVER use rewards cards, where my personal purchases are tracked.

So I told him I write about prepping and I practice what I preach. Our discussion revealed he had attempted to start prepping, yet every time he stored the items in the basement, his teenagers helped themselves to his emergency stash. I asked if he had a shed that could be padlocked to keep his prepping goods intact, which he did. His answer, however, was disappointing: “My wife would kill me if I put the bikes outside to store preparedness goods.” 

I left the parking lot shaking my head in sadness with the realization this man represents the majority of people, including many reading this very article. They may have that gut-wrenching intuition that things aren’t quite right, and they should be getting ready, but they have become entrenched with today’s norms and are over-consumers with the belief the government will step in if things get really bad. Like this man, many would-be preppers just haven’t marshaled their strength to lock horns with loved ones, even when it’s for their own good, nor can they stomach being labeled paranoid.

Get Into The Heads of Those to Watch For

In a collapse, not all looters are created equally. There will be varying degrees of how far a person is willing to go to survive. But even the best, most honest of people will be desperate for food and water. It’s a good idea to consider who might be approaching your doorstep before trouble shows.

Stan, the Family Man:  He has loved ones that he desperately wants to protect. He ignored the hassle of preparedness. He even ignored FEMA’s suggestion of storing three days worth of emergency food and water. Money has been tight once his hours were cut since the economic slow-down. He’d thought about selling the jet skis and investing in storage food, but it was just too depressing. Now a wide-spread emergency has decimated grocer’s shelves in a matter of hours. Water is scarce and there are rumors of many in the area getting sick after drinking non-purified water from a nearby lake. The toilet won’t flush, sewage has backed up in the tub and there is no electric. Communications are down and he and his family are without hope. The first two days, he’d held out hope that help would arrive. But it hasn’t and his family is hungry and thirsty and frightened. Stan has always paid his dues, and would normally never think about stealing from others. But, that was then. He must do whatever it takes to provide for his family. The cooking smells coming from across the hallway of his apartment building has set a plan in motion. Survival has come down to them or him…

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Toni, the Prisoner: When the lights went out, security at the prison was compromised. Most of the jail guards left for home at first sign of trouble. Now, the tables are turned and Toni and several other inmates have escaped. Toni and his group are on foot, but that doesn’t present a problem because their rural location offers plenty of opportunities. The farmers in the area have fruits and vegetables ripe for the picking. Several in the vicinity raise horses. Now that he and the other inmates broke out of prison, Toni considers himself lucky; the problem of food and transportation is solved…once he and the five other inmates have overtaken the family they’ve targeted.

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Scorpion, the Gang Member:  Scorpion, a member of a major gang is, mad at life and knows he’s entitled to survive because he’s young and strong. He’s willing to do whatever it takes without remorse.  He and his homeboys have plenty of firepower and ammunition: the tools of their trade. They can’t wait to take what they need, just for the sheer sport of it. And it’s proven to be as easy as stealing candy from a baby. Several home invasions produced more than enough food, water and medical supplies. What didn’t interest them was grabbed and sold on the black market to desperate customers. The best part is they didn’t even have to leave the city. There’s more than enough to keep the gang well fed. Along the way, they’ve picked up an arsenal. Ammo is now so plentiful, it’s moved past need and has been sold for more than what gold and silver is fetching. The few police combating the looting and killing don’t have the manpower to take down his gang, and they’re on a rampage.

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John, the Tactically Trained: For the past two days, John has had to watch his neighbors go into meltdown. They’re without food and water, as is John. One of his neighbors is a diabetic with no way to get insulin. They can’t call their doctor—cell and land line phones haven’t worked for days. Plus, the roads are in complete gridlock. The gas stations ran out of fuel within 24-hours of the crisis and many frantic motorists trying to flee ran out of gas, or experienced car problems, leaving their vehicles to clog the roadways.

John feels for his neighbor, but he has loved ones. They are his number one priority and he’s run out of time. John and several of his hunting buddies have decided it’s time to search for survival goods, taking their ATV’s. John’s military training now comes in handy. As leader of the group, he knows to head outside the suburb he lives for the boonies where it’s more likely there will be plentiful food and water and preparedness goods. They’ve agreed not to hurt anyone, so long as they’re allowed to take what they need. John knows what to look for: the sound of a generator or lights shining through windows. This is his signal a homeowner is prepared. During the day his group listens for the tell-tale sounds of a generator, a chainsaw, or a motorized vehicle, which isn’t hard to do now that the grid’s down. For days, things have been eerily silent. At night, John and his hunting buddies look for the tell-tale glow of lights reflecting from windows. In no time, they have what they need and will return to this rural goldmine on an as-need basis.

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Brenda, the Naysayer: Brenda laughed when her co-worker, Sarah, shared her prepping plans. Now, the streets are over-run with desperate folks. The stores have been looted. Grocers, sporting good stores and gun shops were the first to get hit. But there have been plenty of  TV’s, computers and high-ticket electronic items pilfered, even though they’re no good to anyone at present. The family car has an empty gas tank, but she’s in good health and so is the rest of her family. It’s just blind luck Brenda knows where Sarah lives, and the awesome part is she isn’t far—only a couple of miles away. Her family is into bicycling, so the problem of transportation is solved; They’ll just zip past the gridlock, baring looters, that is. The rest of Brenda’s plan lies with the knowledge that Sarah is kindhearted.

She’ll put Brenda and her family up until order is restored, which from the looks of things could be a long time. Brenda and her husband throw what little they have in their pantry (what they can handle weight-wise, anyway) into backpacks and pillowcases. Next, they clear out the medicine cabinet. They tried to use their ATM card for cash just yesterday, so they wouldn’t show up empty-handed—they’d never want to be seen as free-loaders—but the grid is hopelessly crashed, so no luck there, and all businesses are closed, including the banks. But Brenda doesn’t necessarily see that as a deal-breaker. She did everything she could, other than fill her pantry and get preparedness goods. And besides, Brenda has two adorable kids…how can Sarah say no?

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Will You Be A Victim?

Desperate families, prison inmates, gang-bangers and freeloaders will be out there during a full-on collapse. The first thing you want to do is to get prepared so that you aren’t one of them.  Next, how you handle desperate people and whether you come out on the other side alive has a lot to do with planning beforehand. Here are some pointers. Hopefully, you have some of your own to share by commenting below:

  • The “Vacant Home” strategy: Many people plan on making their home look unoccupied in an attempt to protect themselves from looters.  In grid down, you don’t necessarily want to have your home appear vacant. The average person won’t risk getting shot when they believe a home is occupied. It’s better to keep them guessing, and that also includes NOT telegraphing your preparedness.
  • You will be an instant target if you’re running a noisy a generator, or driving a vehicle, or using a chain saw when your area has drawn looters or worse. It sends a message: You’re prepared and you have goods they need! It’s best to forgo the obvious. Some generators are built to run quietly. Is yours? If not, when looters are in your area, use only tools that won’t draw as much attention like a tree-felling ax, and cease running a noisy generator until it’s safer to do so. Keep vehicles parked, and gas storage out of site.  Some things that you can do are to add supplementary mufflers to your generator, build a sound dampening enclosure, build an underground sound dampening enclosure, and only run your generator during the noisiest parts of the day, if possible.
  • Don’t light up your home in grid-down! Now is a good time to fit your windows with black-out curtains. Even using a piece of material that’s secured—possibly with duct tape, so light doesn’t escape and alert people outside, will do.  Whatever you do, test, test, and test again.  Test your black-out provisions now when there is plenty of ambient light and test them again if the grid goes down on moonless nights.
  • Cooking odors will attract anyone with a growling stomach, including neighbors, looters and worse. Keep canned goods and MRE’s on hand for times when looting is rampant.
  • You must have the means to defend yourself. Guns and ammo may be the pivotal deciding factor between who comes out ahead: Toni the prisoner or Scorpion the gang banger, or you and your loved ones. It will be necessary in times of unruliness, when people are frantic to survive, to patrol your home, whether it happens to be in the boonies or in the city. This, often times, requires a trusted group. It may become impossible to protect a location with just a husband and wife due to the heightened demands on your time that during normal times is not an issue. This is a separate post, however, because of all it entails. Look for the post soon!
  • Either have stored water or a safe route to get it and keep a high-quality water purifier on hand. During a collapse, sanitation will go south. Never risk drinking non-purified water. (David’s Note:  I plan on purifying any water that I have stored rather than relying on my container cleaning and water preserving skills to keep us safe.)
  • Have a backup plan for toilet use and basic hygiene, as we talked about in this article:

  • Put aside medical supplies. Should anyone in your family or group be inured, medical aid is unlikely to show during a crisis. We’ll talk about what you’ll need specifically in an upcoming post.
  • Keep several ABC fire extinguishers that will handle all types of fires. Do not expect to be able to contact the fire department for help.  (David’s note:  We also keep a LARGE supply of baking soda, aloe, and other first aid items for burns.  One of these items is anbesol…which is for teeth, but contains .9% lidocaine.  Solarcaine is aloe and .5% lidocaine and it works well also.  You can buy lidocaine cream without a prescription at a 5% concentration >HERE<
  • NEVER depend upon land line and cell phones to work when a crisis strikes. If you doubt this, you only have to look at the Japan tsunami, or Haiti, or Katrina. Have a back-up plan, always—which we’ll be covering here in an upcoming post.  (David’s note:  Never underestimate the power of randomness in a large scale disaster.  On 9/11 in NYC, the network that Blackberries operated on was the only one that was reliable.  After Katrina, friends doing security contracting weren’t able to use cell phones, but were able to use landline phones even though the water was 6 feet deep on the ground floor and the cables were under water.  In Hawaii, the night that the earthquake hit Japan and a tsunami was expected to hit Hawaii, cell phone circuits were busy, but I was still able to email, tweet, post updates, and surf the web over my data connection on the same phone that couldn’t make a call.)
  • When possible, a large dog is worth considering. It’s long been known by police that a large, serious-sounding dog will stop the bad guy. Problem is, he’ll just look for easier targets. You must provide for their survival, just as you have your loved ones, which will mean plenty of dog food. In my book, Survival: Prepare Before Disaster Strikes, I shared a work-around for those who can’t keep a dog. Just having a beat-up, large dog collar, worn water and food bowls, and a heavy duty chain trailing on the ground WILL  have the bad guy thinking twice about attacking your home. After reading this section, a wise-cracking Alaskan friend suggested a chewed up moose leg.
  • Divide and avoid being conquered.  Split up your survival goods in as many ways as are practical for you.  Some people will have more options than others, depending on their living situation and how willing they are to hide things in places that many would consider to be completely crazy.  Splitting up and hiding your survival goods will allow you to sacrifice stashes if necessary without giving up everything.

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Most of us, if given the opportunity, would choose to help others, and many preppers who can afford to have put aside extra canned goods to help others. But there is a world of difference between helping someone in need and becoming a victim of someone who plans to steal your preparedness goods with force. It’s important to agree amongst family or group members how you will address likely scenarios, so if the time comes, you’ll be able to react as a cohesive group. Hesitation can kill you!

So, What are your plans to survive in the midst of bedlam?  Share your thoughts by commenting below:



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  1. To prepare, I would first list all the types of disasters you can think of and then how to prepare for each: whether an inconvenient financial downturn, natural disaster, WW3, alien invasion, EMP blackout, etc. And forget to prepare for NO disaster– you still need to have a retirement or college fund. You just need to do the best you can with what you have.

    A really big survival tip to consider. We lived in a suburb environment and did a lot for prepping to include 40-day urban survival plan, bug-out plans and so forth. The bottom line was, we had no way to realistically prepare for a long-term situation, with too many people and too few resources. So we bugged-out early. We found a pretty survivable place in the country where we are a bit isolated and self-sufficient. At the same time, a city is within an hour’s drive. If a major incident had occurred, there was no way we could have reached a place like this. I regret to say, the move was not easy nor cheap; it met our priorities, so we did it. Many people don’t want to consider such a major life change for a “just in case”. But you should think of it, if you are serious about prepping and survival. Good luck, and God Bless.

    • Armand Berube says:

      I would LOVE to be fully prepared for ANY event however I live with my son and his family; a wife and four children ages
      5, 7, 9, and 12.
      Over the past ten years I have been prepping by myself for the seven of us. My son seems to think that God will watch over us; and I know that He will, but I believe that God helps those who help themselves. The Bible teaches that, of the ten virgins; five were prepared and ready and were saved, but five were foolish, NOT ready, and were shut out of the wedding feast. I can’t seem to convince my son of the importance of being prepared. I believe that living in the country would afford us the best chance for survival with a garden area, and plenty of room to defend our position.
      Any thoughts about this ??

      • Survival Diva says:

        Rural areas will be safer than urban settings with a dense population, BUT they won’t be trouble free. Even in the country, neighbors may be problem (and why keeping your preps a secret is critical), and roving looters will be scouting for anything useful when stores are closed down and banks lock their doors (worst case scenario). I am also a Christian, and like you, I believe that although the Lord tells us he will provide for us, we must also do our part. The signs are all around us; weather changes, economic hardship and global political unrest. If you’re able to convince your son and his wife that it is prudent to find property away from a dense population, land for a garden, and just as important, a well, I believe your family would be safer in a collapse.

        Is there enough cash flow to buy a cabin with property, even if you remain in an urban area until trouble arrives? Another idea that would require less of a cash outlay would be to rent a cabin, or purchase 2 or 3 storage sheds (they can be purchased fairly cheap at big box hardware stores). If you purchase sheds with lofts, it will offer storage and extra sleeping space. Insulation, drywall and a few windows and possibly connecting them together would make a decent living space. If a property is in a wooded area, adding a wood heat and cook stove, or just a cook stove for a small space will provide long-term cooking/heating. By erecting an outhouse (provided they are allowed) and digging a well, you won’t have the cost of a bathroom and you’ll have dependable water. To save on up-front expenses, you may be able to negotiate an owner-carry on undeveloped property, and while you’re negotiating, try negotiating that a well be added, which can be added to the cost of the property. Many owners are willing to take monthly payments on undeveloped property, as loans are nearly impossible to get at banks–they don’t have anything to attach if the borrower defaults! This approach can be less expensive than buying a cabin.

        On a personal note, I purchased 2 guest cabins last year–my main cabin is 2 bedroom with an attic, not enough room for everyone without the guest cabins. They were called sheds (although well-built, attractive sheds), but by punching out a couple of windows, and having a traditional door installed instead of a barn door, they turned out to be awesome guest cabins that family members are happy to stay in when they visit. The cost was around $4,000. each and they were rent to own, so although it took a big bite out of my monthly budget, it’s been doable (barely) and by January, they’ll be paid off. I am not typically this open about my personal finances, but if it helps anyone looking for a solution, it’s worth it : )

        If you go this route, it’s important to have things set up at a bug-out cabin, so when you arrive, it’s in livable condition. Of course, you and your family would need to hit the road at the first sign of trouble, before grid-lock or martial law is called that could lead to roadblocks.

        There is a lot to be considered. Personally, I moved to a mountainside years ago because I was concerned about an economic collapse I see coming. There have been hardships; being 90 miles from shopping and family, bear on my deck, no jobs (thank goodness I’m able to write from here), eye rolls from family members who think a single woman living so far from civilization is unsafe, and so on. Even so, I love living in the country and wouldn’t trade my independence for anything. This lifestyle isn’t for everyone. In the end, it comes down to how much are you willing to give up to pave a way for a safer location, if there is enough cash flow to make such a move, and if you can convince your son to share in the expense and the time for a safer rural property.

        Hope this helped.

  2. I didn’t read all the posts, only the first 100 or so. Maybe some one mentioned it, besides water. food, shelter, security we all need to make two other areas a priorty! The first of these is alliances. I noticed a few people talked about it as if it should be done after a SHTF. Not so! It will probably be to late by then. I belong to 3 groups in Florida, Involving 8 counties at the moment with more coming on board. The leader ship of about 13 groups from these counties meets on a rotating basis monthly to discuss how to help each other, i.e., with finding cheap sources for food and other items, we are developing a serious communications plan using good hand held ham radios, we search for other groups and try to get them involved if they meet our standards, we are working on several other areas that I won’t mention here. The second area I already touched on and that is the ham radios. We spent a lot of time and money finding the best radio and just as important finding the very best antennas. We are learning all about advanced ham radios, repeaters, and encouraging everyone to get licensed so we can practice now.

  3. Big Daddy Texas says:

    I have been studying survival and prepping since back in the 90’s when the Y2K fear was cranking. I am about as well prepared as I can be where I am and with the funds I have available. After Water and Food, look to 1st aide, security and a variety of ways of cooking/heating your foods. I teach Prepping and insist on my students have minimum of 3 different types of cooking methods available for long term needs. Solar cooking, baking and warming. Rocket stoves, boy scout heaters. The very best advice I can give beginners or even moderately informed preppers is to look at Missionaries to African villages out in the bush. They have some of the most unique methods and devices available. there is no infrastructure or technology there, so they have to improvise. These improvised means are the basis of most of my prepping procedures and devices. Above all, look to GOD. He is the ORIGINAL PEPPER. Read the story of how GOD instructed Joseph to become a Prepper in Egypt. He was able to keep THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people from many COUNTRIES alive and healthy during a 7 year famine, Genesis chapters 41 & 42.

  4. Assuming that you have any source of power, batteries with solar charging you could use some of the modern perimeter intrusion detection devices that would detect someone entering your property and/or attempting to enter your home as a secondary intruder alert system to supplement a limiter number of people who could stand guard or take turns as security watch. Motion detectors (included in motion sensing lights, take out the light and use the sensor to activate an alarm inside your home) and infrared beams can be used to be an early warning system.

    • Good point. I have a few extra battery powered motion detecting lights. When TSHTF I can position these lights at critical approach corridors/entrances to alert us.

  5. Joseph-Lee Morehouse says:

    Senses this article was posted 2 years ago , I have grown as a prepper and my circle of preppers has grown from 6 to 19 now . I have found that there is more like minded people out in this world than I realize but the different between me and them , maybe 1 out of 10 will actually prepare for disaster . Most believe in the government will bring a convoy of trucks with food,water, medicines and troops to protect them. I believe in the boy scout motto “BE PREPARED”.
    I was raised by a family who had nothing but the knowledge to make something out of nothing , they grow most of there food , they canned , dried food , they hunted, they new how to stretch a $1.00 . Many of them were children during the depression and they new hunger and going without basics , they taught me how to never go hungry or want for the basics.
    That was there time and now we are in a different time , the world is a meaner and more unpredictable , if the shit hit the fan many of the looters would be my neighbors and they will try to kill us just for a slice of bread or a bottle of pills . My group are unable to bug out , we discussed it, if it necessary we will fortified my home – it the biggest and move everybody into it and follow the plans we have made , try to build alliances with other groups to build strength in numbers and firer power . if we have to leave where would 20 persons would go , they range from 7 years to 93 years – 7 have health issues – nowhere most will die . We will hold our ground and make it throw the storm , add people with skills , guns ,knowledge.
    I have seen looting first hand , planning and preparing for the worst of it is only part of it, but believing that it will get better with the help of the god and we will be better people as a nation for it. I not hope for a collapse but it might happen.
    Thank you for the articles.

    • Portis E. Whitfield III says:

      City folk especially might consider this plan: Prepare to keep rural livestock owners going in a grid down situation. They will have food for their livestock but likely little else. They will obviously want to keep their business going. Some important items might include: tools and information to plant food, grow food, harvest food, store food and live comfortably. During winter when their business is slowest, drive around and talk to people. See what they need. Personally, I would rather go down protecting the herd than starving to death. If a person who is a team player showed up with just a pocket full of precious metal they would likely be welcomed. A scythe, for hay and grain, would be worth its weight in gold. Keep the faith. Keep goodwill.

  6. This goes off the looter topic but the view of the naysayers here seem to be that we are all planning on going to some secret bunker with tons of food and laugh at the Mad Max scenario!

    The prepping part is learning the skills humans have developed over thousands of years but have gone to the wayside with the advent of technology and the stock/store of enough items to bridge the initial chaos. That’s it in a nutshell.

    When a young couple got married in the 1800s, they had been learning all their life how to hunt, farm, weave, sew, make butter and so on. And they did not start from scratch. The day they got married they didn’t have to sew every stitch of clothing, acquire every morsel of food and build a shelter over their head all in one day!

    There will be a horrible period, there will be violence, there will be suffering. But those with the best preps will survive. Those preps will be some combination of training and knowledge, perseverance and determination, and supplies. The first two trumps the last one. But even the best trained will have a much easier time building a shelter with some tools!

    I have been prepping for about 3 years. But I do not really expect to survive. I have medical issues due to tours in combat zones. I am fine with that. All my preps, all my research, everything is for my children and grandchildren. I am teaching them, I am stocking, I purchasing property with good land, 3 water sources and more. I am collecting every tidbit I learn into a book, which I will print multiple copies of. WHY do I have that seed or this seed? How do you express vegetable oil? Plans and designs for a solar water still. Everything I have learned will go to them.

    Everything has the redundancy of at least three. Three sources of water, three ways of purifying water, three means of storing food, three means of cooking food, three means of hunting food, three types of communication (other than TV/Internet/Cell phones). One way may work at one time but be dangerous or unworkable in another.

    I have over 300 variety of seeds, and notes on each and everyone! Most plants have multiple uses. Everything to homeschool from grades 1-12.

    I have kits for others, baby kits for new mothers, extra tools, all things to help my neighbor. I have items for trade, such as seeds, salt, flints, and tools.

    I have vodka for herbal tinctures and wine for communion. I haven’t stocked any for trade as I think alcohol and bullets are dangerous trade items.

    I do not know what will happen, but I want my grandchildren to survive and then go on to thrive.

    I live on a VA pension now and am 100% disabled. I have simply decided that except for an occasional book for recreation and the internet, ALL my money after absolute necessitates go to prepping.

    When I got depressed about how much more I needed to do I found an old file that I had done 3 years ago with lists of things to buy and do. As I crossed off item after item, I realized just how far I had come, and how that one item here and a few items there added up!

    There are those (loud) idiots who plan to be in some dream bunker. But they are idiots. Most of us just see the storms on the horizon and want to prepare our families to weather it. Nothing more.

    I served in a country that had lost ALL their tribal knowledge. All of it. The basics of first aid, of hygiene, everything was gone. The unneeded suffering was incredible. This is what I would spare my children.


    • We’re on the same page, Valerie, and I thank you for your service and your sacrifice.

      When I was single, survival meant going into the woods and going primitive.

      When I got married, survival meant retreating to a secure location where I had lots of stuff pre-positioned.

      But when I had kids and a couple of brushes with death, mere survival no longer existed in my mind. It was replaced with sustainability/resilience/self-reliance/community building so that I could provide for my wife and kids if I died and after our stored provisions run out.

      Bunkers are great for tornadoes, air strikes, or other short term “survival” situations, but they aren’t the whole solution to most of the problems that we’re facing. I’d love to have a bunker if I were under attack, but I’d also love to have a water supply, garden and livestock so that I can sustainably feed myself and my family.

    • Dear Valerie,
      I too have been prepping for about three years now. I was never in the military; think of the typical dorky computer nerd, complete with thick glasses, and you’ve got 50% of what I look like, and the fact that I’m not exactly Rambo.

      You had mentioned that you were going to combine your knowledge into a book. I would be very interested in having a copy of that book. Please contact me at

    • Survival Diva says:

      Thank you. Your children and grand children are blessed to have you watching over them.

      • I would love to get the book also

        • Survival Diva says:

          The book I have was given to me from a friend and is now outdated. Look on Amazon for the top-rated book on how to pass the Ham License test. There’s one important thing to keep in mind. When transmitting over a ham radio, your location can be triangulated. Sharing critical info, like food storage, prep goods, gardening, etc. could make you a target. My plans are to “listen” to find out what’s going on in the world, rather than sharing with strangers or making alliances. That may be possible now, however. There are Ham Radio clubs, where you can meet locals. Setting up a type of “code” to talk between you may work, but again, transmissions can be triangulated.

  7. Windwalker says:

    I have been prepping for 8 years now and there is a group of us who have a place to go to in case of trouble and we can watch out for each other. I have prepared a place for around 70 people who are close family and friends that would not betray our group. We have plenty of ammunition and weapons and many of us are ex military and we now how to set up a safe zone and protect it and we all know how to treat injuries and wounds of all types. We all know how to survive in the woods and bug out camps for months and how to capture and kill food with bows and arrows and traps if we do not want to be heard or seen.
    Most people think they are prepared until shtf and then they realize they are not as prepared as they thought. I put on seminars and teach people how to be prepared for when bad times come and how to defend yourself and group members.


    • Survival Diva says:

      There are more ways than one to store beans and rice…but part of the equation is what type of rice: white or brown rice? Brown rice has natural oils that means its shelf life will be shorter than white rice. Bulk food storage worse enemies are moisture, light, and temperature, which include temperature fluctuations. It’s best to store food anywhere between 55 degrees and 70 degrees, the cooler the better.
      Okay, now on to your question. Wheat stores best with food grade diatomaceous earth added to kill weevils–1 to 2 tablespoons per 5 gallon bucket. You will need to calculate that for smaller packages based on a 5 gallon bucket of beads weighing in at around 35 – 37 lbs. When storing it in vacuum packs, it’s still wise to add diatomaceous earth. It is safe to eat food grade diatomaceous earth, so not to worry. Vacuum packaging works well! Especially for grains you want to sprout. The plastic vacuum sealed pkgs will still breath enough for sprouting later. NO oxygen may make them unable to sprout.

      • Diva;

        We have been using vacuum packing for several years. We have small packets of corn (100 kernels in each packet. Each year we pull one of our oldest packets for our own use, and have never had any failure to sprout. Though we, admittedly have not used rice…living in Central AZ rather precludes rice.

        The reason for vacuuming corn packets is as a trading item. We usually keep around a hundred packets “hermetically sealed in a mayonnaise jar buried in the yard.” OK, that parts not true, but the rest is.

        For Tom: We have found that vacuum packing DEFINITELY does kill weevils and any other air breathing bugs.

        David: I recently read that you stated that vehicles not turned on will run after an EMP strike. It worked in the movie “Broken Arrow”, but not in reality. Also, everyone should consider that during an EMP the physical lines running into your house may actually catch fire…the wires in your house will probably also catch fire, so KEEP THOSE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS HANDY.

        • Survival Diva says:

          Good tip on the vacuum pkg. of corn. Great bartering potential and good for helping those in need.
          And, YES! Fire extinguishers are important to have for any kind of fire. The Carrington X-Class Flare traveled along telegraph lines, igniting paperwork on telegraph worker’s desks.

      • samnjoeysgramma says:

        Diatomaceous Earth is a must have. It will kill spiders in sleeping quarters, roaches in food areas, and fleas on dogs or lice on chickens or parasites like those on PEOPLE. It will also work as a powder to get rid of garden bugs or flies. We are spoiled living in an age and place where body lice or fleas are pretty much limited to our pets or farm animals. You can’t imagine how miserable you would be or how vulnerable to disease and parasites you would be if we are knocked back to the stone age. Just be sure it is food grade Diatomaceous Earth. It is already in most of the grain products we eat.

        • samnjoeysgramma says:

          My next purchase may be night vision goggles. Also, motion activated perimeter alarms that are carried at Harbor Freight and are pretty inexpensive. I collect things you can’t make: scissors, magnifying glass, needles, etc. A book on medicinal herbs and a Bible. Good luck to all.

        • Survival Diva says:

          You’re spot-on about parasites being an issue. Food grade diatomaceous earth will be important to have on hand.

    • Windwalker says:

      put your beans and rice in 1 liter pop bottles that you have cleaned out and dried. I use them to store my beans and rice and they are air tight and nothing can get in them.

      • I don’t think plastic soda bottles are good for food storage. Rodents will have absolutely no problem chewing through the plastic and they are not completely airtight. I store my rice, beans, ect. in clean, sterile mason jars with an oxygen absorber (store sugar and salt without the oxygen absorber). I store everything else in metal tins with tight lids that are also sealed with electrical tape or duct tape. has great advice on how to properly pack and store food, as well as, how long different foods will last.

  9. In the dee[ south where we live, we have a problem storing food items due to the heat. We don’t have basements, sheds are subject to extreme temp. fluctuation. I have had trouble with weavels who’s eggs are in all wheat or flour based foods like, rice, flour, cereal, etc. I have been told that if you freeze these items for 1 day, the eggs won’t hatch. Then store in food containers, pantry, closets and where you have space that temperature is moderate and the varments can’t get them.

    • Kay Watson says:

      Marlene, I’ve read the same about freezing for a day or 2 which will kill the eggs and you can do same with cake mixes, etc.

    • Windwalker says:

      build an underground hideout and store your things in empty liter pop bottles and they will work well and no bug can get in them.

    • Put a couple of bay leaves in with your vacuum packaged beans and rice. Check your stored foods regularly to make sure no packages have lost their vacuum. When concerned about flour and other ground items, freeze them for 48 hours before putting them into your storage area.

    • Freezing, using dry ice to purge the O2, diatomaceous earth, there are a number of ways to prep your goods for long term. Perhaps Diva can link us to a previous blog or put that on her to do list.

      • Survival Diva says:

        Caribou & Marlene,
        Next week’s post is going to be about food and water storage, including work-arounds for hot southern temp’s.

        • Beth in TX says:

          In the hot, humid gulf coast area: Datrex or Mainstay 3600K emergency food ration bars have a five year shelf life despite extreme or fluctuating temperatures. No cooking required. Highly recommend keeping some on hand in sweltering urban/suburban domiciles.

  10. Some of us will survive, probably better than any of the doomday advocates who give up without a fight. Society will eventually rebuild itself. For myself, I will never give up as long as there is life in me. God helps those who help themselves.

  11. Wild Bill says:


    For the most part, the only difference between them all is their motivation. Most will try to take by force, some by playing on your feelings.

    My biggest worry about looters is running into someone like me (John the tactically trained), but desperate and utterly without scruples. Hunger is a great motivator. I heard someone say once that: “We are only 9 meals away from total anarchy”. The nicest people in the world will, and have, become monsters when desperate. Think New Orleans about 4 days after Katrina.

    The “strong man against the world” way of thinking is prevalent here…. it comes part and parcel with the Rugged Individualist mindset, and I’m no exception. I have to catch myself at it and force myself to change my thinking… I am going to HAVE to rely on my neighbors, and hopefully they will come to rely on me. One neighbor has hundreds of head of beef cattle and heavy earthmoving equipment we can use to good effect- at least as long as the fuel holds out. Another has access to fresh milk and hunting lands, which we do not (he keeps milkers). Ourselves, we raise Cotswold sheep for both food and wool, which will come in handy. Also fish, frogs, turtles, etc, in our pond. One other neighbor has saddlebred horses, which we do not.

    If it all goes to hell, hopefully we can use the heavy earthmoving equipment to cut the sole road in and out of here, effectively isolating ourselves from vehicle traffic. Individual looters might be able to make it through the gauntlet of woods, thickets, barbed wire and armed locals defending their own digs and make it this far, but without vehicles to cart away loot they won’t get much. That is, if they survive the enounter with us…

    One thing that is our saving grace: all of us living on this road have access to fresh water, grid up or grid down. The road dead ends at a river about a mile from us, which is chock full of fish, etc. It might not look pretty, but it’s water and it’s a largely unlimited, untainted supply.

    There are others around us who I will both envy and feel pity for: the Amish and Mennonites are largely self sufficient on their own without access to the grid. But, they are pacifists… easy pickings for anyone with the wrong mindset and evil in their heart. Lambs to the slaughter…

    I don’t know if us “English” can protect them when the time comes…. one family I know, they keep honeybees. We buy honey from them and also wax (I make old-fashioned beeswax candles the old ways- by either dipping or using a tin mold. I have about a half dozen shoeboxes full of candles stored for use and trade and I plan on making more), but they live about 5 miles from us. They’re good people, but I am afraid we would get there too late if we heard there was trouble…

    • Bradleyman says:

      Wild Bill, you sound like a good man, don’t loose that! Protect those pacifist neighbours because they know more on their little finger than anyone about “the old ways”.

  12. John Panagos says:

    I agree, my inlaws are either thinking nothing will happen or they can can come to my place and I ‘ll have everything they need or want, not going to happen. Being out of work and no longer collecting unempyment we have very little extra for our own needs. As far as others in my area only one has some MRE, s for mim and his wife, age of MRE’s unknown. They fiqure on hunting to survive along with hundreds or thousand of others with the same thoughts. It will probabley sound like a war zone. With the limited resources my wife complains about me buying the items we need but when she sees the disasters on the news she relents and works with me to budget our purchases. Plan for thwe worse and hope for the best and be as prepared as possible. John

  13. A crossbow or compound bow is nearly silent and I believe a perfect sutvival tool both for defence and hunting. it should be a part of any survivalists arsenal but not a replacement for firearms. just sayin if you stick scorpion, his homies may not realize it at first giving you an advantage. if you take a deer anyone scouting and casing the area wouldnt hear the crack of a rifle going off. a blow gun is very effective on small game. if you plan on heating with wood, keep in mind the smell of a campfire carries a long way. as does diesel exhaust.

    • Another idea to add is a pellet gun (available at Walmart for <$40). They can be as powerful as a .22, are relatively quiet, and will shoot almost any thing as ammunition. It's a good backup tool.

  14. Bob Anderson says:

    As always, virtually none of this applies to a townhouse dweller 25 miles from DC, with ZERO money for any “prepping”. First, lack of funds, secondly, lack of a place to put anything substantial if one obtained it. By sheer dumb luck, I am a veteran and 62 year old hunter, so I have SOME firearms and ammo; but, realistically, a townhome is essentially indefensible. ( We have deer and other game in the wooded local copses of trees, but that’s a limited food source). The key here seems to be “If your wealthy enough, you can survive; if not, you’re SOL Advice for those with limited ability to do much of anything to prepare would be nice. (Also, spouse and daughter not “into” it, which complicates matters immensely. Bob

    • Survival Diva says:

      You’ll find money-saving tips at the following post: In The Trenches: Combat Food Storage Tips From A Pro. The post date is June 7. Most of the country is struggling. It’s just not reported on as much as it should be in the mainstream media. There ARE ways to prepare, so don’t give up! For some, it may boil down to what you are willing to give up to get prepared. Anything collecting dust that isn’t survival related comes to mind…

    • My daughter lives in an apartment in NYC. I am terrified of what will happen to her if/when SHTF. She thinks I am nuts and totally shuts me out when I try to talk with her about these things. Any advise about this situation would be appreciated. Thanks.

      • Survival Diva says:


        You’re leading by example. Eventually, she’ll hear the same thing from someone else, and THEN she’ll listen. The saying You’ll never be a prophet in your own home” is never more true than for preppers trying to wake up loved ones who aren’t ready to face the truth. Have faith she’ll come around : )

  15. Stashing food in plain site just involves a little creative thinking. Things just have to “look” normal in their usual places. Most looters won’t look for food in boxes for scouring pad, cleaners or personal products. The bottoms of these boxes can be cut open, the contents removed, and you simply put your stash items in a heavy ziplock bag into the bottom of the box. Put a small piece of tape on the bottom and the box will look unopened as well as have a normal weight.

    A sofa bed is a great place to store a lot of food! Remove the mattress and build a light weight frame with a lid within the original mattress storage area. This give you PLENTY of area to store MRE’s, portioned dry goods, or any other gotta have items.

    You can also do single serving bags of beans/rice and line them up flat between the bottom of the sofa cushions and the cushion cover.

    If you get ambushed in your home. Set on the sofa and stay quiet.

    Store food in the dishwasher. When the grid is down you won’t be using it anyway.

    If you have a lot of books and deep shelving, you can do a false back to your existing book shelves.

    Store food in a dog house that has fabric or a flap over the door. Igloo type houses work great. Try to keep the dog house close to your home but not in plain view of neighbors. Make it look like you really have a dog. If you already have an outside dog. Get a second dog house! A BIG ONE!

  16. I wanted to post of some experiences I have had, I will not go into great detail but rather will say what worked and what didn’t work. First, don’t waste your money on the much advertised cart that has a solar panel and one battery. This will only be good for a light or two and the battery will go quickly if a real load is place on it such as a laptop, tv, or other appliance. Otherwise, it works for it’s purpose, but not it’s implied advertising. Second, it is important to have a lot of canned goods or Wise, Mountain House style food and a good water supply and some MRE’s (MRE’s tend to re-arrange your digestive track and may be an issue for some). A small camp stove which operates off of propane and have either the large tanks or small ones to hook up to it, this will boil water very quickly and you will have a small portable way to cook. single or double burner. Third; bottled water, either the 12, 16, 0r 20 oz bottles, and gallons. A cistern is also helpful and of course a well. Filtration is also a necessity. Along these lines water for hygiene. If you do not have water for hygiene, your personal hygiene will deteriorate quickly especially in hot weather. Fourth; if you can’t spare water for flushing toilets if you have decided to hunker down and stay in place, plastic grocery bags or the small boxed type garbage bag will fit good onto the seat of a commode so that you can relieve yourself, because you will have to do so. Maybe not as often during a SHTF scenario but it will take place. Have a place for disposal as well. For gas, if you have the money, purchase as much as possible, store in a secure location and use PRI-G fuel enhancer for gas, PRI-D fir diesel. Stay low, live grey. For protection, well you can make the best choice for that but a handgun, shotgun, rifle should be part of the program. If you have a 4 wheel drive vehicle enhance that vehicle as much as possible and keep it maintained, it could be your only way of escape if that became necessary. Fuel of course would be the issue there. I am posting this because I have had the opportunity to have to utilize all of these items and made some harsh discoveries that a lot of items sold for the above purposes don’t really work well in a real life situation. If you can put cash back do so, it is difficult and most of the time impossible and in the end could become worthless so have items for barter and trade like deorderant, shaving cream, razors, soap, candy, tobacco products whether you use those products or not. i would recommend against alcohol simply because if you trade this for something that person could return drunk and emboldened to take whatever else you have and you might not want to have to take this person down. At any rate, a good way to make power if you can afford is to purchase at least 6 240 watt plus solar panels ( I recommend Schott because these are USA made and you will reap the benefit at tax time because of the recovery act and IRS rules as well as your particular state rules offering a cash savings), use three, keep three put away in case of a CME event so you will have three for backup. Purchase as many batteries as you can afford, do it now and a decent inverter or two or three, this will make life so much more bearable. Become as creative as possible because I am telling you, if you have not experienced your own personal SHTF scenario it will be an eye opening experience. I hope this post jogs your minds and makes you think. Anyone wishing to collaborate, I have added my email address as well as my website.. Good luck and godspeed on your preparations.

  17. Scorpion shows up at my house,he’ll be hanging on the front gate by morning.With a sign saying “Looters beware!Don’t let this happen to you!”If you hang two or three of them there,I believe the rest will take notice.If you think I’m cold,that’s your opinion.But you have to admire my confidence.I’ll still be here when the dust settles. Good Luck!

  18. Caribou says:

    Over the years I have run into several opinions on prepping.
    The proponents – These people are currently prepping or are in a financial crisis and wish they had.
    The interested – These people seem to accept prepping as a valid option but really do not see a need.
    The denier – Like the person who won’t make out a will because they might die if they did, these people don’t want to consider the possibility of anything disturbing their life. These people will make remarks like “that kind of life wouldn’t be worth living anyway” or “I’ve got a gun I’ll just come to your house and take what I need”. The latter is meant as a joke and they don’t understand why you don’t find it funny. They will both show up at your door expecting you to share your supplies. When turned away I expect pleading quickly followed by violence.
    The obtuse – These people don’t know what you are talking about and don’t care.

    The last two groups are a total waste of time, I won’t waste my breath, because they will not listen. Unfortunately they represent a majority of the populace. The people who have accepted the need to prepare will do so depending on their ability and perceived need. These people are fun to share ideas with.

    Those individuals who show interest can sometimes be lead in the right direction. They will need to hear the same message over and over but if they seem interested you are probably not the first to mention this. I don’t harp on this and once from me is all they get unless they bring up the subject again. I get understanding nods when I mention how I get a better return off my food storage than my savings account. They seem to agree when I point out how I can save when buying in bulk or purchasing large amounts during a sale. I get a good reception when I talk about getting sick, being unable to work, and living off my stores. I live in a remote location so I discuss how the planes could not fly after 9/11 or during the occasional volcanic eruptions. Our community relies on air service for most of our food and other supplies. I have seen our supply chain cease for extended periods on multiple occasions.

    I don’t usually mention TEOTWAWKI because that turns many people off. This is so far outside their experience as to be a weirdo fringe concept. If the discussion comes around to TEOTWAWKI I explain that I prepare for it because if I am prepared for a worse case scenario I am prepared for all lesser situations. If they have not experienced the lesser situations they know someone who has. I prefer the soft sell because most do not respond well to a hard sell. Each person I can help prepare is one less that I have to worry about if the fan turns brown, and potentially an ally.

    • Esteban Cafe says:

      I enjoyed your commentary. My experience with people has been similar. Some are aghast that I conceal carry, too. I explain by asking them if they have home owners/fire and car insurance; medical and life insurance, 100 year flood insurance, etc. “Do you really expect a home fire, car wreck, to die or experience a 100 year flood? No? Then why do you carry all that expensive insurance ?”

      I explain that when seconds count cops are only minutes away–thus “I self insure.” I am only preparing more fully; that I could easily be out of work and get ill–all at least as likely as what they’re insuring against. I explain that the vast majority of the world’s current governments were not around 100 year ago, this sorts well with the 100 year flood insurance logic.

      We rationally and reasonably discuss that the current American government is past over-extended and red-lined financially. I explain that there is precedence for a CME, just 12 hours away, which would fry all my, his–the world’s electronics…and what that would mean to him and his family.

      People who rationally insure against the obvious are usually fairly bright and can withstand and learn from a level-headed conversation on preparedness.

  19. Hi all, I am glad to know there are people such as all of you that are in the same mind set as myself. There is a self sustaining home book series that may be useful to alot of you who want to be able to be off the grid and be able to make your own black, gray water disposal system as well as alot fo rain catchment ideas. It’s an Earthship and the concept is from Micheal Reynolds, and he builds homes and from recycled materials. Its worth looking into and getting a few of his books to be able to build these systems if you have the means.
    P.s for all you preppers, go to costco or yourr local store and buy some Quinoa, it’s an amazing grain that contains all the esential amino acids in one serving. Amazing survival food!

  20. You left of one of the largest potential looters:

    GOVT and their JBT’s.

    What ya gonna do when the cops come and order you to turn over everything you have for the:


    don’t wanna answer that, then ba ba ba little sheep

    • Yup, damm right. More than likely the provisions they would take, would more than likely just feed their immediate selves & interests. My advice, would be to be mobile. plan to have an immediate, high mileage, straight run away from any built up areas, or population centres. Then dump it, disable it, remove the fuel from it, hide the fuel nearby (preferably diesel as it will store longer and easier) and then walk. Learn to walk long distances now; especially on an empty stomach. And learn to walk of a night. Its easier to detect others around you, as well as roving gangs and such. Being able to sprint away at first when TSFTF, will help you avoid the initial chaos that will ensure. And always, always be positive. When confronted with another group, look at their eyes. The eyes will tell you everything about them, especially how they intend to respond. And avoid using lights when travelling……. peace all

  21. Montego Man says:

    This has been one of the most responsive prone articles thus far. Thanks to David and staff for adding Diva’s insights.
    There are a lot of naysayers out there. Many of these people do not want to look reality in the face and refuse to recognize what is going on in this country and around the world – politically, financially, and spiritually. They mistakenly believe that we will be unaffected by what is taking place now, but they are dead wrong and truly misguided, often by their bias and guile, as evident by some of the above responses.
    I’ll fall back on the old cliché that I keep referring to, the Boy Scout Motto – “BE PREPAED”. Remember that we earned Merit badges in these efforts to learn how to survive in the wilderness, and we were tested on these abilities in order to obtain tank and merit. Many people have carried this over into adulthood. That is what the Scouting program is all about! To prepare boys to be men! Take a survey of your friends and see how many of them were scouts. You find several in federal law enforcement, the military, especially WWII, Korea, Nam, and Desert Strom. The merits of scouting helped them to be men and to develop leadership and survival skills. It also taught them to help others in distress and danger. The one respondent was spot on correct when he mentioned the need for insurance and betting that you won’t need it, but that’s why it is called insurance.
    As for Preppers – many of these people are outdoorsmen and women. They enjoy camping, hunting and such. They have already supplied themselves with a lot of what they need to live in the wilderness. You want some modern conveniences like electricity (for heat, cooking, acquiring info/intel via radio, general survival needs), purchase a small solar array. A tent at REI will cost you more than a 60 watt or 72 watt system. Actually, it’ll cost you less than taking your friends out for a night on the town. As for weapons, there are millions within this country In the hands of private citizens who exercise their Second Amendment rights. It’s only prudent that you keep ammo on hand since the cost keeps escalating like everything else. Besides, it only takes an Executive Order by Potus to stop the “distribution” of such an item once it has been declared as contraband.
    Besides, who can pass up a sale? You need certain products for daily use. There is no harm and little additional expense to purchasing a few more items and putting them away for now. You never know when another Katrina or other disaster will hit and the local stores will be closed due to no electric and no supplies by trucks due to lack of distribution and fuel. I know many responders who went to the Gulf Coast after Katrina. They had to bring everything with them, including their own food and water! Only the National Guard and military had the logistics to handle incoming freight/supplies and their distribution. They were prepared like good Boy Scouts. Therefore, the only major distinction between Preppers and others is the accumulation and storage of food and water – basics of life.
    Therefore, don’t kick people around when they are doing nothing more than providing security for their families. They do it for the same reason we all buy life insurance, to care for our loved ones. So call it a bunch of Boy Scouts if you will. We still wear that title with honor and distinction. If you served in the Marines, you know that once a Marine, always a Marine. The same is true of Scouting – Once a Scout, always a Scout. We have a whole lot of good Scouts here, and I’m sure they are just as proud as any to practice what they have learned and preach it to other.

  22. country boy says:

    for someone already in the country, stan and brenda will probably not go far out of town because they dont have the resources to get far from town on foot or by bycicle. tony and scorpion wil most likely stay near population. most likely they are in prison because of gang activities and will want to hook up with their buddies in a more urban setting they feel more confortable with. as for john the noise of powered equpment cuts both ways. in the country you could hear them coming with any kind of motorized vehicle. when john shows up to a staged campground with a generator running as bait, the whole group could be sniped at a distance for their equipment and supplies. and in the country there are a lot of food sources running around on 4 legs.
    i will guess that being stealthy and mobile, and avoiding others would be the best bets in a world where everyone is killing for food etc.

  23. DontBeAfraid says:

    Seems to me that death is a much better alternative. The “other-side” offers much more peace, love and happiness than living in the world you’ve described.
    Stop fearing death, never stop loving and enjoy the time you have on this beautiful planet.
    With these three components, you are sure to live a very rewarding life no matter how long it may be.

  24. Phil Stajcar says:

    Bonnie: You are describing a biosand filter. Several good websites out there on constructing them cheaply, including a small one from a two-liter bottle.

  25. why the hell do you people want to survive? even if you make it a year or two youre just going to survive to die from the disease’s that will be ravishing who ever is left. No sanitation and corpses rotting everywhere. Are you going to survive and procreate just because you have some stinking supplies? Go hide in your paranoidal holes and survive, survive, survive. You prepared unlike the rest of us idiots and your prepared to defend whats yours. wow, look at you. scratching out another day so you can what? play a harmonica very quitely for a half minute? What tremendous joy that will bring your children before its back to the bunkers and another bowl of rice.Survival, but only when the coast is clear? quiet generators so only you have a frickin light bulb? a light bulb that jeopardizes you and your families very life? What do you want to see? your me,me,me ass in the mirror? your family slowly die? A meal that could cost all of your lives? What you preppers assume is that survival will be the name of the game. Of course it will be, right? Thats how Mankind is here today. Preparation and survival. Well, that will be the case…. a hundred years AFTER tshtf. You are prepared, alright. You are only preparing to suffer a little longer than most. If you think that the masses will be on our own, fending for ourselves. fending for our survival, your sadly mistaken. Oh.. maybe for a month or two it might be like that. The “powers” will let us take each other out for a little while, the more we kill each other the better, but they will not allow time for any masses of people, military or civilian, to organize or “gang” up or even just survive. They will have to hit the big “reset” button. It is the only way Mankind will survive. Its the only way THEY will survive.The select few, that have already been selected and already know who they are, will start over. Because when the shtf, its a great equalizer. The rich, the poor, the PREPARED, the unprepared, the good, the bad, all of that goes right out the window. If it makes you feel better, or in control or empowered than have at it. But you might not be as prepared as you think you are. just saying

    • davidmobile says:

      Sometimes, I even approve comments like this one…it’s a prime example of another of the many personalities out there.

      You may have people you care for like this who don’t value their own lives or love anyone else enough to prepare.

      You may also have people in your life who are such premadonas (sp?) that they can’t imagine spending any time living with the inconveniences that most people in the world have lived with throughout most of history.

      • justin case says:

        I’m almost sure it’s “primadonna”.

      • Esteban Cafe says:

        I think the word you wanted, and accurately applied, is def No. 2. He certainly exhibits both “princess and the pea” sensitivities as well as a dour outlook that would not serve him nor his family very well.


        pri-ma don-na
        [pree-muh don-uh, prim-uh; Italian pree-mah dawn-nah] noun, plural prima donnas Italian, prime donne [pree-me dawn-ne]
        Word Origin:
        1. a first or principal female singer of an opera company.
        2. a temperamental person; a person who takes adulation and privileged treatment as a right and reacts with petulance to criticism or inconvenience.

    • Jos Edwards says:

      I predict you and yours will be one of the first waves to pass. Thankfully.

    • sunshinesunflower says:

      I might not wish to survive, but at least I might have a choice longer than most.

    • susybee3 says:

      you, my friend…….are probably right. dont think these thoughts havent crossed my mind.

    • kissy sunflower says:

      Those who fail to prepare, prepare to fail ~ Ben Franklin

    • Esteban Cafe says:

      Sir, explain all that to your wife and children. Why so bitter ?
      You make Reason and Logic stare, gap-mouthed, at your commentary.

    • Court
      I think you have wandered on to the wrong site
      Just saying

    • Dude, God gave us minds to use to be able to adapt and thrive through whatever the world throws at us. You don’t think that people hundreds or thousands of years ago didn’t have to face the same questions? What about the Isrealites when they ran out of Egypt? What about the many civilizations that crashed and burned through the ages for any number of reasons? Hell, what about Noah? If he heeded the same defeatist mindset that the world is doomed because God is getting ready to rain hell down on the earth, NONE of us would be here today. The whole idea that preparing is futile shows exactly what problems we face. Those folks are the exact folks that will perish quickly because they’ve given up long before ever getting started. Those are the people who end up putting a bullet in the heads of their wives and children thinking that there’s nothing left. Anybody remember that movie “The Fog”? Remember at the end when the dude and his family ran out of gas in the truck and they decided to smoke themselves, only to find out that they were one shell short in the gun? So the dude decided to smoke everybody, his kid included, only to get out and face down the fog monster, and what happened? Rescue came! Had they just kept a level head they would’ve still been alive! Defeatist! While the Army rolling in to save us is the antithesis of why we prepare, the ending of that movie proves a point as to why we shouldn’t have a defeatist attitude. Even then, like another poster said, how are you going to answer to your wife and kids when their stomachs are growling as to why you didn’t even try to do anything? While I’m not a super conspiracy theorist, I do believe there are unseen forces that are pulling the strings and making things happen that are leading us to a super crash, that doesn’t mean that I’m gonna just stand here and let the world collapse around me. Yes I’m going to still live my life to the fullest, in fact I will kill 2 birds with one stone and enjoy life while learning more regarding survivalism/prepping. Whether its a camping/hiking trip, long kayak run, fishing trip, etc., I will still enjoy life and learn more to help me in a SHTF situation. People had to deal with SHTF situations all the time, including having to worry about staying hidden, finding food/water, any of the things we talk about here. For some, everyday life is a perpetual survival situation when they have to deal with criminals hiding around every corner and wondering where the next meal is coming from (inner city poor, homeless). Would life in some type of “Mad Max” world be hard, hell yeah! Will it be worth it to be around to participate in the rebuilding? Hell yeah! People like us are why America came to be. Regardless of how America is today, I want to be around to survive, thrive and rebuild. Its too bad you have that mentality, I feel sorry for your family because if you have a heart that will weigh in heavily as they suffer. And they will suffer. Yeah it might look like we’re “suffering” because we have to exercise operational security when it comes to generators and cooking. I’m not going to roll over and go out like a b**** because I don’t think there’s nothing left to live for in a post civilization world. While I do believe that God has the final say in what happens to us, I still believe that he also gave us the grey matter to have a little discretion in how we function. God is not going to let us live for 50 years if we don’t bother to eat good food or drink good water. But when you say we’re “suffering”, at least I’ll be suffering on a full stomach and living more comfortably than the non preppers who already ate the family dog and are sick from lack of hygiene. Hopefully you will see the light before its too late. Besides, prepping doesn’t have to be strictly a “survive the apocalypse” ordeal, just being able to weather a hurricane or natural disaster or a prolonged local situation for a few weeks is just as important as trying to “survive the apocalypse”. Maybe I’m preaching to the choir, but its not gonna stop me from what I do, which also includes trying to talk people down from this high horse of defeatism and “baa baa sheep” syndrome.

  26. I was criitized for my Y2K prepping, only to having not to buy a roll of toilet paper, canned foods or bottled water for the last 10 years.So what if it didn’t happen we were well prepared if it had and better prepared if it didn’t. carry on, a well stocked home is a great place to live and remember “Happiness is a Warm Gun”!

  27. Realist says:

    We live in a good area of Northern California that is not heavily populated. Yes I know that there is a large segment that would argue that there is no good in California. Our area is rural and is made up of large dairy farm, vineyards and cattle ranches. We do have larger cities to our east and south that have everything that we need. However these same cities have undesirables that populate some of the neighborhoods which I am sure will take advantage of any situation they can. Every single one of your looter examples I am sure reside in these cities. My plan is to stay put as long as reasonably possibly, then plan B is to bug out to our ranch up north. The ranch is very secluded about a mile from the main road. It has all the things that we would need in a prolonged situation, water, fuel and the potential for lots of food. We are building a small cabin this summer that will suit our needs for the next couple of years.

    I agree that most people would like to be able to help others if possible. However where do you draw the line and who do you help. Part of the problem that I see is that if you help people you have to interact with them up close. This can lead to them taking advantage of the situation. So a good rule is to keep people at a distance, as far as possible. Or better yet if you can keep them away completely that is best. Ideally you will need to have a lookout to see for a distance so that it will allow you time to react. Do not let them get close so they could see what you have or to take advantage of you.

  28. NOT SURE, Do you have house, car, even life insurance ? You are making a bet with the insurance company that something will happen to your house, your car or you will die and the insurance company is betting that nothing at all will happen but your money will turn into their money. The people you are calling stupid here are not doing anything you are not already doing. The difference is they are not gambling, they are using knowledge as you should also try to apply. Remember WALL MART MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE OPEN. So open your eyes my friend and prepare for what is coming.

  29. Photina says:

    I tried to warn my neighbors and was repaid by one loudly telling another that I had lots of food. Actually, I am low-income and have only managed to save a little bit. I won’t help that individual any more because I consider it a risk to my life. I just tell him I am low on food, which is true enough.

    But if TSHTF for real, I do have a plan. I am one who remains calm, rational and practical in terrifying situations. I have studied this stuff for ages, and I have a few days’ worth. I am a natural leader. In SHTF time, I will GIVE nothing, but find a way that people can WORK for their own survival, such as surveying neighbors for useful items and skills. Go water my garden for me. Whatever.

    I can and will organize all my neighbors into a survival unit. Collectively, we should have lots of guns for our own police force, and plenty of labor, and…?

    Others from farther away will be instructed to find the wisest calmest leaders to create civilization in their own areas.

  30. Not Sure says:

    You folks are just plain idiotic. Do you not realize that you are outnumbered? Hopelessly out numbered, as a matter of fact. Forget the prepping, maybe just a few days for a minor emergency but if the SHTF as you are suggesting, you have NO HOPE. You are one or maybe two or even possibly a few dozen. The rest of the world is 6+ billion! You cannot survive on “prepping”. You can’t store enough food, fuel, ammunition, or water. You cannot hide in this world anymore. There are people everywhere and they WILL find you and your provisions. It’s just a matter of time which, as a prepper, you will have little of…… while everyone else, collectively, will have plenty of.

    People who survived in the past disasters (black plague, WWII, genocides of all kinds) survived not by storing up anything. They survived by being able to work with others when they find those of similar circumstances/conditions AND, most importantly, by having a keen “situational awareness”. They were good at reading surroundings and people. You “preppers” look at everyone as a potential threat. Guess what, by you’re posture, you will MAKE everyone a threat by alienating even those that may be an ally. You’re doing that now by making the unspoken statement, “I’m preparing to hold my own, and other’s be damned.”

    Preppers have a “normalcy bias”-bred insanity that only comes from people that have had it too easy for too many generations. Those who will survive are not going to be the one’s that store up the most shit but those who are the best at societal adaptation. It would probably be better you have nothing when the SHTF because you will have a humble view of your situation and that leads to a more flexible approach when dealing with people who are also in a bad situation. The prepper “holier than thou” attitude would just end up pissing people off. And in a society where law and order would be conspicuously vacant, that’s not really a good thing to do.

    • WA State says:

      Not Sure,
      I understand your points. I think that prepping is important, however, because it buys you time to think out your reaction to a crisis situation. It also makes a person better equipped psychologically to deal with an emergency or SHTF scenario because he/she has thought about it in advance, and he/she doesn’t have to immediately worry about basic needs like food and water.

      • Survival Diva says:

        Not Sure,
        Most preppers I know are as broke as the rest of the country. The difference between them and a non-prepper many times boils down to common sense. Most must forgo all luxury like going to the movies or dinning out just to get prepped to protect their loved ones. Believe it or not, many have set aside food to give out to those in need.

        Get your head out of the sand, please. If changing your life by thinking ahead is threatening to you, get over it. Sock something away for a rainy day and if nothing happens, then you’ve just inflation-proofed your grocery budget, because it a sure bet foods will continue to skyrocket out of control.

        I’ve learned that when people object, there’s still hope–otherwise they wouldn’t even bother to complain. If this is you, wake up, get ready, and while you’re at it, set aside canned goods to help others.

    • davidmobile says:

      Keep in mind that resiliency and stable micro environments are built on a foundation of stable and prepared individuals.

    • Not sure,

      The rant I gave the other dude doesn’t fit this application. In a way, you do make a couple of points about how some preppers think and act, but again, the defeatist mentality still doesn’t apply. To go off of the idea that preppers are outnumbered is short sighted because when you look at your immediate surroundings, you are outnumbered period, prepper or not. If looters came up your block, you’re outnumbered whether you have supplies or not, they will attack then rape and pillage, even if all they get from you are the few cans of corn in your cupboard and your womenfolk. If you have arms, then most of the time that spells the difference between not being violated and watching helplessly at the terror some scumbags can do to you just before they bash your skull in with a hammer and laugh about it. To talk about a normalcy bias, I can somewhat agree with that, I’ve always said that prepping involves more than just “stuff”, skills are the trump card when it comes to prepping, that’s why I like to separate “survivalism” from prepping in most circumstances. Survivalism involved learning skills that allowed you to function with very little while prepping seems to focus mostly on “stuff”. I do agree if all you focus on is how many guns you have or how many months of freeze dried food you store, you’re only prolonging your demise but if you also focus on primitive skills, bushcraft, even rural skills (animal husbandry, farming, etc) then you stand a way better chance of thriving after just “surviving”. The whole prepping aspect is just another means to an end, the stored food and water and “stuff” puts us ahead of the curve when it comes to surviving, so when the “stuff” runs out, we’re already implementing those long term plans that will get us through whatever occurred to put us there in the first place. And yes, many preppers do view everyone as a potential threat. It’s the same mindset that I’ve used while living in “the hood”. You view everybody as a potential threat. It doesn’t mean that you keep everybody at arm’s length but it means you remain vigilant during any and all interactions with people, even if it’s just walking by someone. Same goes for prepping, you view everyone as a potential threat until you ascertain they are otherwise. If you don’t then you might wake up with your throat cut because you wanted to trust everybody and that one person that you let in had ill intentions. And contrary to the statement that people who survived past disasters didn’t prepare is false. You can go back as far as biblical times to see signs or preparedness. Even in the recent times, you had refugees and preppers. The refugees are the ones who had to trek hundreds of miles and lose half of your group before you arrive to the refugee camp only to lose another half of your group to disease and starvation. Those who survived were lucky or had lots of help along the way. The ones who really made it are those who had the skills, yes, as well as tools to help them along the way to surviving. Yes there’s a lot of “holier than thou” mindsets in the prepper community, but the same applies to any group that feels they’ve done better than everybody else. Rich people think they’re holier than thou because they have money and privilege, poor people think they’re holier than thou because they’ve clawed their way through life and feel that only they know what its like to live “the struggle”. That mentality is everywhere, not just the prepper community. Even those of you with the mentality being displayed have a “holier than thou” mentality because of the condescending attitudes I’ve read towards the prepping community because of our desire to be prepared for whatever the world throws at us, looters be damned. But rest assured, I’ll put down a bag of silver on the bet that folks like you will be the first ones trying to seek refuge at some prepper holdout or camp, playing on their minds that you have children to feed, but will get mad if those same preppers turn you away or make some type of demand (manual labor, guard duty, etc) to earn those supplies and safe refuge. I think it’s more than reasonable for preppers to barter their supplies to the unprepared for labor in any form (no prostitution please), because everyone will need extra hands to work fields, set up barricades, cook, fix things, serve guard duty, etc. To turn away a handout or even full blown refuge because you don’t want to do a little work is selfish on your part (entitlement mentality) and whatever reaction that is received is on the table. I have no problem taking in a a few trustworthy people because there is indeed safety in numbers but I’m not going to take food out of my family’s mouths to feed someone who doesn’t want to do anything at all other than beg. Holier than thou? Selfish? that’s anyone’s opinion, they’re entitled to their own opinion, but when your family is starving, it’s best to keep your opinions to yourself when asking for help.

    • Not so grasshopper, said the ant. Remember ?

  31. GrandDaddy says:

    Share what you’ve got til it’s gone, then think in terms of loaves and fishes.

  32. Tibirius says:

    The best way to be prepared is to leave the US for a more safe location, if you can. (If you can’t leave the US at least go someplace where people would not want to go, such as the cold North. When there’s no heat many people will go for warmer climates.)

    The US is the one place that will be ‘hell on Earth’ when TSHTF

    When everyone has guns and are fighting for survival and *most importantly* 98% of the population does not know how to survive that’s a recipe for trouble.

    Go someplace where most people have the knowledge and skills to survive without modern conveniences and cash, gun ownership is low (not saying you shouldn’t have one, but do you want everyone ELSE to have one?), and people don’t go batshit insane at the first sign of trouble.

  33. Jason W says:

    If aplicable, feigning disease could keep some looters away. If aproached by ‘friends’ who want to freeload or by kids who are scouting you out, let them know you and your kids have hepatitis, and that it’s contagous. Maybe even go so far as to make signage like “Caution; contagous!” Mya not stop the assault style looter, but it may turn some other types away.

  34. DougSter says:

    Bad: “Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For”

    Good: “Five Types of Looters for Which You Must Prepare”

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist. 😉

    • Tibirius says:

      Bad: “Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For”
      Good: “Five Types of Looters for Which You Must Prepare”

      *Best*: “Five Types of Looters for Whom You Must Prepare”

      but it doesn’t matter, since everyone understands anyway, right?

    • Bad: “Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For”
      Good: “Five Types of Looters for Which You Must Prepare”

      *Best*: “Five Types of Looters for Whom You Must Prepare”

      Alternative: “Five types of looters and how to prepare them”

  35. JetemiahWeed says:


    Good commments. Most vets (active and former) are Oath Keepers. They will not take up arms against civilians. After Katrina, we used water in our 33K gallon pool to bathe and then to flush toilets (septic sy stem). We drove to Memphis, TN (250 miles) to get a generator, but then no gas. All food in fridge and freezers spoiled. No electric and limited water (diesel pumps) for 3 weeks and that was 120 miles north of the Gulf Coast. We rallied and provided all available diesel to run diesel generators (provided by National Guard) on a rotation basis. Things were not good, but it brought out the best and worst in people. A hand pump is part of any windmill. Most have a 500 gallon storage tank for gravity feed wayer pressure. CCI and other brands offer “CB” caps (.22 cal) for use in bolt sction and lever action rifles that are almost silent. I used them in a Marlin lever action to dispatch a number of feral cats in town. Less noise than a pellet gun. Shooting shorts and Longs in a rifle chambered for LR can cause a build up of carbon deposits in the chamber of the rifle. This can cause extraction problems – so keep the chamber clean if shooting shorts and LR rounds. If you have firearms, traning is imperative. You must be competent and mentally prepared to take a human life to protect your life,others, or your property. As a former LE officer and retired military officer, taking a human life is never easy, no matter what the circumstances might be, or how “justified” you are. After its over, you will be second guessing yourself. I once failed to pull the trigger in a life/death situation which affected me the next time I was confronted with a similar situation. They both turned out good for me and the bad guys, but could have been so different for me. The next encounters were not so good for the bad guys. I got to go home, but they haunt me. No matter how right you are, you must learn to live with it. I tell you, if it’s you or them, learn to live with it.

    • Great post. If you have not read it already “In the Gravest Extreme” by Massad Ayoob is a book every gun owner should own and read. One of the many things it mentions is how a self defense shooting will affect you. Just as practice and training can prepare you for the event, study can help prepare you for the emotional response after. Just having a clue can make a difference.

  36. Ed Phillips says:

    There’s always a non-believer with something stupid to say joining us. Remember his name When it hits the fan. When He knocks on your door, send him to see Kurt Russell .Better to be Prepared and nothing happens, than not prepared and all Hell brakes loose. Well prepared here in S.Calif. Good Luck to all of You. It seems to be closer than a lot of people think. Anyone noticing the loss of our rights slowly dissappearing by Presidential Orders. America is becoming a place where wrong is right and right is wrong. Freedom of speech is being stepped on becauce of Political Correcness. Some cities trying to add Sharia Law to our Court System. How can this happen in America ? They Treat women like dogs ! God Help us and keep us safe. Sorry Folks I get carried away sometimes.

  37. Hipockets says:

    I have lots of food and necessities in my house. I also have my camper stocked with everything to survive. If I have to Bug out,it’s ready to go. We also have a large storage of food,and other things stored in a large shop a few miles away. Having 3 options makes me
    feel more secure about surviving.

  38. Mariana says:

    Two things besides watter and food to concider is higiene and tools. Toghether with the canned food, watter, tents, medicines, blankets, etc, I have stored soap, femmenine higiene products, towellettes, sun block, moskito repellents, toilet paper… and work tools like a hammer, a plier, a cutter, a shovel…
    Those who have pets should consider keeping food and watter for them too, and the means to take them with them if they have to flee. Some will just live them, but when you are starving, they can be a sourse of food, even if your hart brakes. I mean, I love my cat as she was my own baby, but if I have to choose between seen my kids starve to death and her life, there is no choise at all.
    Besides my cat I have two dogs, one is an old allmost blind puddle, she can’t protect us, but she shourly can make a lot of noise whe a stranger comes by our house. The other one is a mix between a Shar Pey and a Caucassian Shepperd dog, so she is big and scary and has a rather foul temper with strangers.

  39. Great Grey says:

    A note for you who have a stream running through your place. Do you have a shelter on the far side from your main house in case the stream becomes uncrossable while on the “wrong side”, and need a place to stay for a few days?

  40. barticus says:

    Site seems like a lot of fantasy to me…..”toni the prisoner, scorpio” ! Fess up Kurt Russell wrote this didn’t he?

    • I live five miles as the crow flies from a prison. There are 3200 inmates there. The community that I live in is the closest one to the prison. Can;t say that I fantasize about prisoners but I can spot a fool.

      • Jos Edwards says:

        The geniuses that run my little county in NW decided to make a business out of detention facilities. There are five or more correctional facilities in this tiny little county. The prisoners will be one part of the problem — the freakin’ guards are a whole nother problem by themselves.

    • You remind me of someone,,,, oh yeah, Stan.

  41. One likely person was left out int he above list, the young kid who is sent into the neighborhoods to scout for marks. Sending a child to do intial begging is as old as famine, and the coaching adult(s) may not be easily disclosed, but they will be collecting information.

  42. My main concern with roving gangs/looters is molatov cocktails. I have sufficient arms and ammo to stave off advances but if they want you out that’s a great way to do it. Any thoughts?

    • Survival Diva says:

      I’ve wished since I bought a cedar sided cabin that it was made of a non-flamable material. I have not found a solution to this. Maybe there’s a builder on the site who has an affordable solution.

      • Caribou says:

        If you put a rock or brick facia up you will gain fire and ballistic protection. It is not the cheapest but if you can do the labor you can save quite a bit. Cinder block and Hardie Plank would also help on fire resistance. Here again you will probably pay as much for the labor as for the materials. 3M makes a window film that should stop most attempts to throw something through the window.

        • Survival Diva says:

          Thank you for the suggestions. I’d wondered about Hardy Plank. It’s the only material I could probably get my brother, the builder, to install ( : Any of them would work. Fire is another matter to consider. The fire department isn’t likely to be able to help in the midst of a collapse. Those of us in the boonies should be planning to clear undergrowth and making a fire break, just in case. Those that have a metal roof will be ahead of the curve!

      • Earth bag building allows for using dirt to build and/or reinforce structures. It offers all kinds of advantages and savings versus conventional structure materials. All kinds of info online on the subject and there is no rocket science involved.

      • John Donson says:

        You can purchase a misting system and install on your eaves and/or fascia that will put out a good deal of water or hook up a sprinkler system to spray on your house. You can install a controller on them to turn them on or off at will from a distance or from inside the house.

      • there are several. over 20 years construction exp. & contractor.

      • Fireproof your wood:

        1 Fill a bucket with 2 quarts of water.

        2 Pour 1/2 cup zinc chloride and 1/4 cup ferric chloride into the water, together with 3 tbsp. each of boric acid and ammonium phosphate. These materials can be found at farm and gardening stores and from chemical supply dealers.

        3 Mix the ingredients thoroughly. Paint or spray two to three coats of the mixture onto your wood to protect it from fire.

      • Bradleyman says:

        StrawClaySlip (kinda like adobe’) check it out on youtube. when coated in 2-3″ of plaster. Fire needs fuel and air to burn so when you pack that SCS into the walls there is little air and the clay acts a natural fire retardant.

        • Survival Diva says:


          Thanks for this tip! I’ll research it. . . might end up as part of a weekly post. This could be the solution that many of us have been looking for.

    • While that’s a risk to consider (I’ve done it myself), one thing to think about is the idea that if they believe that your home or shelter is full of supplies, burning you out will negate the whole purpose of the raid, they destroy everything and they’re back to square one. Killing you by burning the place down won’t feed them. Of course that’s where having multiple caches of food and supplies elsewhere would be a good idea. Not to mention on an unorthodox train of thought, you yourself may implement a scorched earth policy if it seemed that you would be overwhelmed by superior numbers. Destroying your own homestead with the knowing that you have a lot more stuff and probably other shelter elsewhere would hopefully drive away any large gang of raiders. It’s about the same as contaminating your food stocks and water supplies pending an imminent take over. I’ve seen youtube videos of preppers who said they would do exactly that, its mostly a mind game being played, hell even the Russians did it prior to the Nazis marching in, starve the wildfire of fuel and it cant advance.

      • Survival Diva says:

        You have good points here! It would be true that anyone believing a home or cabin has supplies would be unlikely to torch it. Burying caches is always wise. Like David has said, burying food and supplies, even in places that may seem a little “unusual” can make the difference between life and death.

        When burying buckets, always line them with heavy, sealed plastic to protect the goods inside.

    • Blue Dog says:

      I think if you have heavy plastic fastened to your windows from the inside that will keep molotov cocktails from getting into your house. Or you could nail plywood on your windows from the inside.

    • How far could a person launch a molotov cocktail? Have a cleared area around your home, twice that distance. I would warn anyone off, if they breached my perimeter, and I didn’t know them. (Or want them.) Wish I lived in a brick house, with a metal roof, though!

    • W. Raimer says:

      Chicken wire or similar wire fabric stapled over your windows would stop solid objects from getting in. Installation can be inside or outside depending on your preference. Inside would be more covert. A roll of wire fabric doesn’t take up much room and add a decent pair of metal shears and a staple gun to the tool box.

      Molotov cocktails will be a real problem. A covert remedy (as long as you have a water supply) is to put a heavy misting type of sprinkler system underside of your roof overhang. A simple system would be a pvc pipe drilled with 1/16″ or 1/8 holes in it. Cap one end and put a threaded adapter on the other. Screw in the garden hose when the need arises. PVC pipe, glue and adapters can be purchased at any home store for around $10.

      If the water isn’t available the only solution would be to keep it from hitting your house. Picture some sort of net like what they have at the golf driving ranges. Many, many variables with this concept and to keep this post short, I’ll stop with the introduction.

      • Molotov cocktails won’t be a problem. They require alcohol or gasoline, both will be in very high demand and unlikely to be available.

    • Jeff Carroll, "Eltexan" says:

      Hey Craig!
      I had a friend who survived the Mau Mau tragedy in Africa and he told me that one thing they did was to stretch wire mesh from the eaves of the house at an angle to the base of the wall. That way, anything thrown would be deflected into a trench dug around the base of the wall. He said it worked. As for roofs, I know a fellow who mounted a perforated 3/4″ PVC pipe along his ridge line. All he has to do is turn a valve to flood his roof.

    • A full brick wrap, or hardi board, steel or sheetmetal panells added over shingles. i am a contractor, and there are many tricks.

    • Charlie says:

      Don’t let them get close enough for “Cocktails” to be effective!

    • That’s one of the biggest concerns that I have just as well, a desperate group when faced with the odds that they won’t get your stuff may just decide that if they can’t have it neither can you. Even an underground bunker will become an oven/tomb if someone pours gasoline down the vents and throws a flare down the shaft. The only thing I can think of to help that is to have several layers of defense, perimeter fencing (preferably electrified) to keep the initial looters from making it in w/o getting lit up. I wouldn’t even use those wimpy fence chargers like from harbor freight but some homemade stuff that is intended to kill when used. Of course this is used after SHTF for obvious legal reasons. Afterward you may incorporate booby traps all over your property to create a “no man’s land” between the perimeter and your compound. If EMP isn’t a concern (and it should be) electronic area defense measures can be used (motion sensors, etc). Guard dogs turned loose can also be used. This way if baddies make it close enough to your house to throw molotovs, then your fences are already down/breached, boobytraps all tripped, guard dogs shot, and half of your team is probably injured or dead. When the molotovs start flying you should already be in your bugout vehicles making a hasty retreat while your compound burns to the ground. Another wild thought for those of you “chemistry experts” out there might be to rig your compound to blow in case an invasion is imminent. Wesley Rawles used that in the first book “Patriots” when the protagonists blew their compound to take out the Provisional Gov’t goon squad who was on their doorstep. As with anything dealing with prepping, be willing to think outside the box.

  43. Childress,, find a way to install a hand crank for your well. I had an old well closed off and reopened it adding the old fashioned crank. Oh, , and I do have a diesel pickup, goats,chickens, garden, fruit trees. On the other hand I have a plan to GOOD to my brothers house, he also has a well and septic, lives on a river and on Wisconsin Which likely would be much safer than staying here in florida. I feel ready to bug in but probably would end up bugging out. I also got my ham radio license and a 2 meter handheld radio.

  44. I bought my current place in 2008 after searching for many months…. It can be difficult to find a survival spot but it is not impossible…
    Our place is more than 1000 feet off the county road with only one way IN and one way OUT down a narrow lane through the woods that I can control…. . We have a good flowing Artesian Well and a Septic system. Our pond is well stocked with Blue Gills, the stream that runs through our place has a good gravel bed and a spring spawning run of Trout as well as a fall run of King Salmon. We have good Deer and Turkey hunting off our back deck…. Small game is plentiful …. Wild food foraging is fair… Neighbors have a few hundred head of Cattle… We have a good supply of Firewood for winter heating and year around cooking. We are lacking a good sunny garden plot. I am cutting some trees and may have garden space opened up for next years garden. Good shopping is 15 miles away, convenience store/gas station is 4 miles away…. We try to maintain a good supply of food and ammunition.. We can shoot at our place, however I prefer to keep a low profile and go to the range that is 5 miles away to keep in practice with fire arms.. I have a Precision Air Gun with added silencer for taking small game without drawing attention….. We like our place, however I would like to be further away from the large city.
    Due to our age we need to be close to Doctors and Hospitals.

  45. Bonnie Hollingsworth says:

    Jaggen, you are among the fortunate to have a well. We also have one, apart from our town water. We do have a hand pump to go in it and it’s ready to go with the exception of putting it in the well and securing the base plate. (Pipes ready, pvc glue ready, etc.!) However, we are now considering building what will look like a garden tool shed or something around it prior to putting the pump in, just to disguise it. We also have an extra septic tank, though we are on a tank now. No sewer up this mountain. The extra tank is from a small home that was on the now vacant land that I bought adjoining mine. Does anyone know how to build a water filter from a 5-gallon bucket? A friend gave me instructions, but I have mislaid them. I do remember that it had sand and charcoal, but cannot remember the details. Thanks

  46. I have my own well with a hand crank, an unexpected blessing after I bought my home also have septic, another blessing in disguise. I bought an old 1-ton pickup and added a 90gal storage tank, that I keep filled for GOOD situations. Solar oven, fireplace, live by a lake, and so on….

    • sunshinesunflower says:

      Are you prepared for family to arrive? Just a thought. Some sister-in-laws might be freaking out. Soft bat please.

  47. P. A. Dick says:

    A friend of mine is now a Lt-Col in the Marine Corps. When he was an LT assauling Iraqi forces in Kuwait, he told me that a house or building is one of the most difficult targets to assault, and one of the most difficult places to defend. Whatever happens, he said, the situation is unpredicatbly fluid. Many times one must exfiltrate. My comment to many is that if you terminate any governmental recipients around your urban survival unit, you must get them away from there as soon as possible; at least 100 yards, or much further if you can. Besides the flies, there are a multitude of viruIent bacteria that the flies will carry to you, or further pollute your natural water supply. I have learned from discusions with others of likemindedness, cheap vodka and cigarettes are the best tool of complacency to appease governmental recipients.

    • One must consider the potential for minor wounds, cuts and abrasions. Cleanliness is an absolute must, and you will not always have all the meds that you wish you had. Purchase and store large bottles of Lysol that you can use for cleaning and soaking wounds, cleaning and sanitizing pans, dishes etc. One cap full of Lysol in a pint of water will clean a wound or cut, and stave off infection. Eight drops of bleach per gallon of water will sanitize drinking water. No… it isn’t tasty, it is safe. Keep cuts, wounds and abrasions clean and dry that they may heal quickly. Keep lots of warm clothing. In summer, you can always take it off… In winter, you will need lots of layers.

    • sunshinesunflower says:

      whiskey or vodka?

    • give them a christan burial, it’s good for the soil.

  48. Thom Martin says:

    One key idea regarding “the means to defend yourself” You must, and I mean MUST, also have the WILL to act in that regard. Not hastily, not vengefully, but when necessary, effectively . It is a very hard thing for most people to act without regard to the welfare of another even when threatened; our “socializing” works against that option. But when it is THE only option it must be acted on without hesitance or you’re just providing weapons for the bad guys to take. And it is critical that one deliberately and with unwavering honesty “war game” scenarios and decide in to one’s complete confidence just when or what establishes that necessity. For example, I’ve suffered mild strokes and heart attacks (much milder than many have endured) and so am on blood thinning medications (warfarin, aspirin, etc.). Even so much as a fist fight could leave me with life threatening internal bleeding.You can bet I consider ANY physical threat as a threat to my life and will act accordingly IF I must. But when I must, I know I can. Naturally, non-lethal options need to be considered first, such as a good, strong pepper spray, batons, etc. in addition to the preventative measures mentioned in the article. But HAVING guns and ammo and being of a mindset to USE them are two very different things. Battering can be good, but a stockpile of weapons and ammo is awfully attractive to the wrong sorts as well. Once it’s known you have them, using them may not be far away. As always, great article from a DO-er.

  49. Bonnie Hollingsworth says:

    Yes, canning supplies are a really good thing to have. We garden and can faithfully. However, we also have a freezer full of food. We have extra jars, lids, and propane tanks. Should the grid go down we are prepared to start canning even meats that are in our freezer to avoid losing them. I already have canned venison, bear, and ground chuck. Rather than run a noisy generator (which we do have), it takes no time at all to dump a jar of ground chuck, a jar of home-canned potatoes, and a jar of home-made veggie soup base into a pot, quickly fry a dab of cornbread, and have a meal in about 15 minutes with one-pot cleanup! We do this anyway when we are late, tired, and don’t want to fix a heavy meal. We have also stored a good quantity of salt. This can be used to help preserve fresh meat with salt-curing as well as a good medicinal soak for minor woulds, etc.!

    I think the fake storage cabinets is an excellent idea, while your main storage is in several other places.

    • Miss Arleen says:

      Bonnie, I had the same idea as you did. the only problem is I have never canned meat before…or anything else. Any resources you can suggest for the beginner? You’re the type of person I would love to follow around for a while just to see what I could learn. If you are interested in contacting me directly please let me know. Thanks!

  50. Canning supplies may be as valuable as gold after the TSHTF, within about 2 months. I had another thought, especially if there are only two of you at first (before you can find or develop a group) and that is to plan a false pantry (or other obvious storage location) with a few items in it to allow someone to steal without getting overly upset (i.e. a few small bags of rice and a few can goods.) Most looters would expect to find a few items and may leave satisfied, they also may not plan to return thinking they got everything you had. Even the most prepared can be caught off hand by bad guys, so prepare for that eventuality.

    • susan beaty says:

      hey… excellent idea… thanks for the heads up.

    • what about the hundreds more of looters?

    • Wild Bill says:

      A guy who was living in the Balkans when the war went down had a list of stuff that was always in high demand… He survived a year in a city that was being shelled with artillery every day and cut off from the rest of the world…

      A few things that I remember him listing:

      1. Antibiotics of any kind.
      2. Various medical supplies, bandages, 1st Aid stuff, etc..
      3. Hand tools. Especially axes, hammers, screwdrivers, etc… anything that didn’t run on electricity.
      4. Booze. All kinds.
      5. COFFEE! Even coffee substitutes were worth $$$.
      6. Fuel. Solid and liquid both..
      7. Cigarettes.
      8. Pocketknives. (This one threw me…)
      9. Bags of different types to carry things.

      There’s more, but this is just what I remember off the top of my head… I haven’t been to his website in a couple months and he has to send me a new password. Also, he says freely that gold and silver coins, though valuable before Bad Things happened, were not considered ‘substitute money’ afterwards… things people needed every day were worth more than gold and silver. You would be suprised at what you could trade for with a little coffee and a couple smokes. Antibiotics were the most highly prized. People could be, and were, killed because they had antibiotics that someone needed or wanted.

      Not trying to hawk the guy’s website, but he has a tremendous amount of intel available, even if you don’t pony up the couple bucks he’s asking for all the downloads. Just reading what he has there is a wealth of information…

      I spent most of my adult life in the military and seen some tough scrapes and crappy places, but I could never imagine living in a environment where you are totally and completely cut off from the world, having to exist like an animal in a shelled-out city. The guy is the real deal, in my opinion.

      As far as looters goes, I live by two rules:

      1. There is no such thing as ‘too much’ ammo.
      2. For short range work, nothing will ever beat a load of #1 Buckshot from a 3″ shell.

      When I was given the opportunity to choose what I wanted to carry, I chose the 12 gauge shotgun with #1 buckshot every single time (when it was available). 24 pellets of .30 caliber each fanning out in a cone of destruction… not much can stand against that. HIGHLY reccomend the 12 gauge Winchester 3″ shell in #1. (When I was a young Private, I asked a grizzled old SF Master Sergeant which shotgun round was the best anti-personnel round… without a second’s hesitation, he said the #1 buckshot round. I went with that and never looked back). Only Winchester makes the #1 right now, as far as I know, and that’s the bad news. The good news is that they make a LOT of it.

      I wish all of you a Happy 4th of July. Stay safe and God Bless.


  51. Old Faithful says:

    I’m a two year and going prepper, and I certainly appreciate EVERY article you share with us. Just when I think I’m getting ‘close’ to feeling confident, you toss us another lesson to be learned. So glad you’re on top of the issues surrounding survival. I do have a question; if electric grids go off, does natural gas still run through the pipes? Thanks!

    • davidmobile says:

      On the natural gas, it will keep flowing as long as there’s gas to pump, integrity in the pipes, and enough pressure. In short, it’s completely dependent on where you happen to be.

      • Old Faithful says:

        I live in a very rural area and natural gas stops with our property. I guess I’ll just have to wait & see how long it lasts….by I’m praying we’re ALL wrong, and never have to use all our new learned skills. Thank you for your reply!

        • Natural gas appliances usually come with a set of nozzles for propane and they are easy to replace, just screw one out and another in. They are labeled and your owners manual should tell you which ones go where.

          A hand full of hundred pound propane tanks (easy to hide) or a 500 gallon tank (hard to steal) and a regulator, toss in some piping and you are set to go with a backup system.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Old Faithful,
      Most gas appliances like stoves will continue to work in grid-down. Be prepared to light the burners because any that are dependant on a thermocoupler or electronic ignition won’t automaticaly spark. Using the oven or burners of a stove for heat can be a problem. They aren’t designed to heat your home safely and can build up carbon monoxide, similar to what a BBQ does. Check with your maker, besause all gas-run appliances vary.

  52. I started prepping two years ago, convincing my family was a real chore. I too have a large pool, I’ll draw the water off as needed with a pump, stored in a pressure tank and run through a carbon block filter and than through an ultra-violet sterilizer for household / drinking. Years ago I bought a reverse osmosis that will clean up the water to a level for really safe drinking. Being older has made me wiser, yet when it comes to taking someones life that is in need, I would and could to protect my family. In fact I may become one of those looters and have to face someone of the same mindset, family first. I do need to get a more quiet muffler for my generator.

  53. Caribou says:

    There are a number of questions about how to deal with the friends and family that are freeloaders. Decide now who you are prepping for. If others do not take this seriously that is their decision.

    In maritime law we may have a parallel. If your ship sinks you allow people to get into the lifeboat till you have reached the rated capacity. You can then repel anyone that tries to board your lifeboat. You use what force is necessary to keep them away even unto lethal force. If these people are allowed into the boat the boat might sink. The supplies on a lifeboat are designed to support the listed number. If you allow more people aboard you risk the entire group. Yes, these people may die but trying to save too many you may kill them all.

    It will be hard to turn away a total stranger let alone friends and family. What you must decide is whether it is worth risking your spouse, children, any others you have prepared for in order to help this individual or group. You might want to consider what is going to happen when your resources have reached a critical level. I would expect this leech to blame you and to turn on you. With diminished resources will you now have an unmanageable problem inside your defensive perimeter with knowledge of and access to your defensive tools and plans. Be the good guy if you wish, but know that yours is not the only life you risk.

  54. AS a Hi-Technical Rescue leader I had the opportunity to work before, during and after Hurricane Katrina. We had staged the day before, North of New Orleans and rode out the storm. Immediately after we initiated rescue operations. At the time the only cell phones that we found to work reasonably well was Alltells motorola with the push to talk capabilities. At time the phone service was sporadic. Our main problem was when the military began to arrive at the reserve Naval station and set up their command center. They initiated an electronic counter-measures system that virtually knocked out our com units for a 5 mile radius. Our com equipment was virtuously useless after that. The second item of concern were the armed looters that roamed the areas in search of contraband. We had to station our own armed personnel to prevent the theft of our equipment. That also included the local police that were looting businesses. The third concern were the many animals left tied to stanchions or left in cages inside the many parking garages. Many people left notes asking authorities not to kill their pets and to contact them if possible. Of course the local police and several national Guardsman thought it was sporting to shoot these pets and were laughing about it to each other. I happened upon two such individuals and suffice it to say I threatened similar actions if they didn’t desist. I also filed a formal complaint which has gone unanswered other than the standard, We’ll look into it. At least it put a stop to those incidences. Overall we managed to save a number of citizens from trapped attics and rooftops. But we also found many deceased victims trapped in their attics. Most died from heat stroke and dehydration. Many had not left proper tools to cut through the roofs or punch out attic vents. Of course many houses were under water right up to the ceilings trapping the occupants inside. There was no unified command structure. The Feds did there thing, the state did its thing and the locals did whatever they wanted. The initial command structure was run by an individual that had no experience in crisis management. It was not until the Coast Guard Admiral took command that organization began to rule. And we are talking about several weeks into the crisis. It still took several months to restore some semblance of order. The bottom line is that you CANNOT count on the government to bail you out during a crisis situation. I stress the motto of the 7 p’s, “Proper Pre-Planning, Prevents Piss Poor Performance.” Your mind-set is the key to successfully implementing your survival strategy. I have worked during eight different hurricane disasters. The one constant in all of them was that each crisis management department head was different, untrained, tried to impose their slant on how the system should work, made the same mistakes, was far from the realities of what was needed to work in a concerted effort and basically left the citizens to virtualy fend for themselves. until it was sorted out.

    • davidmobile says:

      Thanks for your service and your insight, Daniel

    • Survival Diva says:

      Your experience helps all of us to understand our worst fears aren’t overblown! It points out we MUST prepare for our survival and can’t realistically expect to be rescued. And, for me, it reinforced why in my basement, there are tools set aside to get out if trapped. Those caught in the attic during Hurricane Katrina would have been able to save themselves if they’d only had a simple tool.

  55. I am a Ham radio operator with Solar power and EMP proof equipment. AKA TUBES…….

    I believe the biggest obstical is going to be Information. Once the grid goes down, no one will know what the heck is going on. My neighborhood knows who I am and what I got.

    I am not really prepaired right now for a long term food shortage and am working on it.

    I really want to know what you are talking about with the “triangulation” statement. That worries me.

    In the meantime, I reload ammunition and I think that is my primary barter goods.

    I also agree with the noise statement / generators…etc. My solar will keep me going for quite a while. There is so much to plan for. EMP’s, Martial Law, Looting, Food / Water and purification………DOG FOOD for the Corgis…Who are very alert and LOUD.

    I have a question….Will an EMP destroy solar arrays? I have two radios tucked into faraday cage boxes and I have a big bank of 12 volt batteries. I plan to run on 12 volts mostly. No inverters. Will I be ok?

    In the meantime, all I can do is plan and prepair for what ever comes. Thank God I live in a very small town, in a farming community. Pray for the big O to be voted out or we are in Deep SH*T.

    And please, forgive Spelling errors. I are engineer. I are not english teacher……

    • Survival Diva says:

      I am NO expert on ham radio, but I’m about to get my license and have started researching Ham Radio. I turned to expert operators who write books on the subject and feel their advice can be trusted.

      Here’s what they say: A Ham Radio transmition longer than 5 seconds CAN be triangulated. They call it a “Fox Trot”. While only listening, it’s said the Ham Radio operator cannot be triangulated. Send VERY SHORT communications if you wish to remain anonymous.

      Going to sites that are concerned with security, they advise the obvious: never give your name, address, or any identifying info where someone can track you down, or make it worth their while. Mentioning “My family is fine. We have plenty of stored food and the gardens coming along” would be a very bad idea ( :

      • The triangulation compares the signal reception from 3 different points and based on the strength at those 3 points they can get a good idea of your location within that “triangle”. On a related note a simple signal sniffer can just move around at random, homing on the signal where its strongest and keep moving closer, so yep, transmissions should be short and sweet. As far as EMP vulnerability to solar panels, that one’s up in the air, some people say that the panel will be damaged at the P/N junctions (solar panels are nothing but huge silicon diodes), which can make them less efficient at best or fry them completely at worst. If not the solar panels, the charge controllers would be in danger if they’re being used, otherwise one would have to constantly monitor the state of charge on the batteries thru the day so they wont overcharge.

  56. Liberal Prepper says:

    If you can’t drive 90 miles to get supplies, practice your ‘story’: lots of flour and sugar, etc. for baking: you or your spouse are going to start cottage food baking to supplement your income (a number of states have these laws; if yours or one close by does, story works); your spouse eats ‘lots of those cans of X’; you or your spouse have high cholesterol (oatmeal); you’re putting on a family reunion (lots of briquettes or charcoal or whatever for bbq); the emergency several years ago caught you with nothing to cook and nothing to cook it on (if there was such an emergency) and so on. Practice saying it without stuttering or mumbling, like it is the absolute truth.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Liberal Prepper,
      I live on the side of a mountain where there is one grocery store. It’s small, understocked and overpriced. I go the 90 miles only when stocking up food storage/barter. Otherwise, it’s telegraphing I’m a prepper in a town of 700 that’s 5 miles away (and I think they’re exaggerating the 700). I have never mentioned within my small burg I write, nor that I’m a prepper. Because I write articles and books on prepping, a low profile isn’t easy, but so far it’s been doable.
      When I’m out and about in the city, I always use the opportunity to wake up anyone I can who shows any interest. It’s surprising how many folks had “thought” about prepping, and many actually had already started, like the Home Depot guy. I think about their children and loved ones, and I take that risk because I believe that’s part of what I’ve been put here to do. However, I don’t give my name, address, or even my general location.

  57. Patty McGarrity says:

    American patriots would probably not kill fellow Americans-especially women and children. But that isn’t true for Russians, Chinese,etc. If there is any kind of mis-understanding, the American just won’t make it!Now look at the bastards in congress who went along with this! If this sort of thing starts, they should be first on our hunting list!

    • While youre right about true patriots not hurting fellow americans, one thing to look at is that a lot of authority figures have this “us vs them” mentality and if brainwashed the right way, they can be made to believe that preppers are the bad guys and that they’re doing the right thing by taking us down. Many are just that brainwashed enough that they will follow orders no matter what, just look at the boys taking guns from people after Katrina, following orders, felt that the people had no right to protect themselves. Dont underestimate the power of brainwashing on impressionable minds.

    • Don’t believe that for a minute. The most costly war in terms of blood shed in our history was the Civil War, where patriotic Americans killed other patriotic Americans. If things get bad enough, there will only be you, your family, your friends, and everyone else. No hungry looter is going to bypass your place because you’re flying a flag.

  58. Joseph morehouse says:

    I have been prepping for awhile now have 2 years of food for 6 people and yet I have a large number of my family who don’t prep and yet when everything hit the fan they will be at my door step and I am at a lost to know what to do , they have no skill except eating and making babies. I have try to reason with them about way the world is becoming and they call me crazy. Any ideals with dealing with dead-beat family?

    • Survival Diva says:

      There are only two directions to take: yes or no. They will be headed your way, no doubt. If you have decided it’s a no, it might be best to talk to them now and make them aware they won’t be getting help when TSHTF. This is THE most difficult part of prepping.

      • Joseph morehouse says:

        Thank you , I will have straighten my spine and tell
        them they are will have to solve their own problems.
        My children come first.

  59. Educate now at the local fire department,store foods in the local grange,share what you have as skills ,equipment as community access projects as who will pass through and who will be disarmed. Teach effective canning methods start a grange membership,All those who contribute will share in the ant pile.There is very little welfare,every one must work .Assemble at the grange sign up a doctor,a vet,a teacher,a mechanic,a gunsmith, farmer ‘s woodsmen and women.Plows and fire equipment. Have a list of workers welders electricians,plumbers.The people who live in your small community. make a list,make a speech,Convince those who share a vision of survival,looters are not welcome!

  60. I am thinking about an air rifle for hunting small game and quiet protection. Do you have suggestions on best brands and models?

    • i think you might be better with a rifle that uses .22 cal ammo =shorts, long and long rifle ammo. a air rifle that is good enuf to hunt with is about as loud as a .22 short , if you get a bolt action rifle that uses short and long rifle ammo you can even take deer with a good head shot and althoug it is not the best for self protection it IS BETTER THEN NO GUN and again it will work besides most people being shot or shot at are not going to ask what cal your useing to hit em with and ammo is cheap you can get 5,000 round for under $300.00 and that is a lot of practice for you whole family to get to be good shots and recoil; and noise is min so young people will not be scared to practice , and you can even get 22 shot shell ammo for snakes ect., but if you must sheridian makes good rifles and ruger has a nice one now also go to wal mart they have several most times on that shoots 1000 feet per second or more is best avoid Co2 guns thast is just one more item you have to keep in stock, a good spring piston or pump air rifle is best

    • Jeff Harper says:

      DRW, You might visit or org and get ideas about how to make weapons from trees. Also, consider using a sling shot to shoot arrows…there is a whole section on that website about using a sling shot to hunt small game. Good hunting.

      • Go to or any of the other airgun sites, they have everything from the common big box store brands all the way up to the big bore air rifles. Many of those guns do cost as much or more than a common .22LR, but there are other niches that airguns can fill that firearms can’t, but like what was said, stay away from CO2 guns, besides stocking CO2, once you charge the gun with CO2, you have to use the cartridge up or it’ll leak out and dry rot the seals in no time. The only other alternative would be the precharged pneumatic guns where they use a high pressure pump or scuba tank to charge the air chamber up. Its the best compromise with a CO2 gun, you get the repeater capability and can bleed the air out of the reservoir once youre done shooting to preserve the seals.

    • butterflyer says:

      I like the german made RWS brand for quality and durability. A friend has the gamo brand Chinese made knock off Quality not there. there other american made brands i have looked at are quite good also.

  61. Jeff Harper says:

    America is big country and which ever army comes to herd people into the FEMA camps, it’ll be at least three days before that occurs or any kind of order is restored in any city. Martial Law can be declared with or without shutting the grid down, but more likely it’ll be after a deliberate shut down. I’ll be using my generator to keep the meat in my freezer cold while I’m cooking, grilling and smoking what’s thawed and running the well pump to fill up whatever containers will hold water, including the bathtubs, trashcans and sinks. Think about places to hide things now and make a list. When the time comes, you’ll have enough going on and reading from a prepared list will help tremendously. Again, do what you can now, even if its one extra can of beans a week, when shopping, and trust the Lord for the Lord with the rest.

  62. Spen Larsen says:

    All of these stories are pretty similar and ignore some important considerations.
    Gerald Celente was in South America during a major earthquake. By the time he got down to the ground floor of his hotel the looters were out. There is a element of society that seems primed and ready to pounce at any non-standard event. Granted this is ‘downtown’ but . . .

    Starving people are too weak to be an problem. You see starving people being driven like cattle in Africa all the time.

  63. Robert Spradley says:

    I am having a talk with many people to determine how they stand and making my list and telling them they are on it, if they are.

  64. Mitchell says:

    Because this article is talking about looters I feel people should have a proper tactics/plan in place in case it does happen. In case they get robbed what they might do and i think this was said in other books but have some sort of safe have in case shit hits thE fan as well as don’t have all you’re supplies in one place (that just goes without saying). As the old saying goes prepare for the worst!
    Another thing that’s not mentioned is that I think people should help others such as giving some of you’re supplies to friends not only is it the right thing to do but over time it will build a community and that will be able to do a lot more then surviving with just you’re family. All kinds of people have different skills and it would benefit you if say you help out someone who is a doctor or a salesman even! (seriously negotiator in time of crisis). But you’re never going to know other people like this if you’re hoarding your stash of supplies. I mean still have a secret stash of supplies but share when you can. It just goes without saying be smart about who you trust as well as how much you can give others.
    Honestly though I’m one of the few who’d rather die still being a good person (who survives death anyways?) then die letting other people rot. But then and again I dont have any kind of family (I’m young) so that’s the difference with me and others.
    To reiterate- know tactics (learn how looters work/what war is really like), know survival skills, and help others smartly because this CAN lead to a community of sorts where people help one another which is a great asset in times of hardship.

  65. Also, I read/saw ( not sure) how to make your house look like it’s not worth looting. Keep black and grey spray paint on hand . When SHTF paint some outside walls of your home like they had been burned. From the street it looks real. Keep all outside activity to a minimum during the daylight hours. If you know looting is happening in your neighborhood, throw some old items across the yard. Looks like your house has already been hit. I enjoy reading all the comments that people write. I’m newly inspired to get prepping even faster. Thank you!!

  66. people need to remember also that it might not be u.s. troops, rather russian or chinese troops that do the dirty work of policing americans.

    that said, anytime you have an opportunity to spread out your stores, the better off you are…just as mr. obama just re-signed the xecutive order banning hoarding, and if you do, you’re a terrorist.

    there are so many utube vids out there that show how to butcher an animal, can meats, veggies, etc, that it’s not just having to read a book anymore…

    plus, the prepper shows have so many good ideas…i’m still leery about what i tell to whom, but i do believe in having a bugoutbag, and also some of the dirt-cheap essentials to have on hand if people come knocking/robbing…the problem with the robbing is that it may also degenerate into raping and pillaging.

    if it ever happens as we all think and fear, it would be best to limit calories as best as you can, lose weight to look emaciated, stand in the same food lines that youre nay-bors are standing in…limit the showers/bathing to still look like you’re hurting, etc.

    i’m enrolling in an emt course at the local college this fall…should be a good refresher of the basics…

  67. Bob Riordab says:

    I am constantly amazed that about 90% of “preppers” think they must have all the ammenities of their current life — electrical power (generators), communications (land or cell phones, 2-way radios), transportation (with stockpiled gasoline), stoves (propane or electric), lighting at night, and so many other things they consider “essential”. Folks, you have to change your entire mindset! NONE of those things will be essential or available after TEOTWAWKI (The End of the World as We Know it). Think back to how your great-grandparents survived in rural areas without electricity, communications, prepared food, purified water, a car, modern medicines, fuel (other than wood), and so much else that “preppers” think they must stockpile. THAT is the kind of world that you must prepare for if you hope to survive!!! Yes, plenty of ammo and a reliable gun or two to fend off raiding Indians and outlaws, plus non-perishable food (beans and more beans). But little else is really ESSENTIAL. I pity the poor fellow who asked what kind of a pump he should get for his well (!) — so he could just turn on a tap and get water. Holy Hell, man, get a rope and a bucket — like people used for centuries; or at the most, an old fashioned HAND pump. Others are all concerned about human waste disposal. Your ancestors dug a deep hole behind the house, built a small shack over it and that OUTHOUSE served the entire family for generations. When it got dark, they went to bed — and got up at first light. They grew, raised or hunted their own food. Stockpiled food in any form will last only so long. Much better to learn how to raise chickens and hogs. Both will eat anything — even dead neighbors — and will supply you with food indefinitely. Forget about generators, etc. and LEARN TO ADAPT to an entirely different kind of survival — OR PERISH … SLOWLY AND UNPLEASANTLY!

    • Wow Bob, that right on the money and very insightful. if the world gets as bad as we probably need to prepare for, it’ll be about the skills you have today, or the books in paper form that you can get ahold of to learn any last minute how-tos.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Bob Riordab,
      I agree! Preparedness should start from the ground up. Preppers are better off with just basic survival goods at first. A good way to get a feel for what that entails (we’re several generations removed from just-the-basics, Folks!), is watching a few “Little House On The Prairie” episodes, or something similar. It helps to prioritize. It’s AFTER the basics have been met, that should your cash flow allow, layering the “don’t-have-to-have-it-but-would-sure-be-nice” items is a workable plan…or not. Many preppers just stick with the basics.

      An Example: I prepared for 23 on a punishing budget. I didn’t have the cash flow for solar panels and the like while purchasing beans, bullets and band aid’s. I started with just the basics like a 2-man saw and a good tree-felling ax, instead of a chainsaw that requires a replacement chain, parts, a sharpening stone, a siphon, and stored gas along with stabilizer and burying the 55-gallon barrels in the ground to keep them out of sight to passerby’s, and for safety. There was also the matter of the noise a chainsaw generates—okay for times when looters aren’t listening, but how can we know for sure, short of being intuitive?

      It is imperative to put aside long-term items (eventually food storage WILL run out) like heirloom seed and home canning supplies and a means to dehydrate foods to handle the overflow.

    • grammygoatfarmer says:

      I believe you hit the nail on the head. My prepping has been with the idea that I need to find a way to become self reliant. For me this means having a very large garden in which I can grow enough vegetables to feed me and mine for the year. Saving seeds for next years garden and putting in lots of corn for the goats, chickens, ducks , rabbits pony and steer who have become part of my plan. I still need to convince hubby we need a pig or 2. We have several springs on our property, I would like to have a springhouse before winter sets in, and an outhouse, but we are in the process of building an addition on the barn. We have guns and ammo and a modest amount of supplies put back for when things get bad. My husband can butcher and I have become proficient in preserving our food. Somehow I still don’t think that it’s enough. Without Jesus, even the best plans aren’t good enough, I believe He is the Way……

    • Bob, you might live in an area where wells are still 3 feet across and have open access. If you do, congratulations.
      Unfortunately, they stopped making wells like that decades ago. Now wells are 3 INCHES across, don’t have open access, and have a big electrical pump blocking the tube.
      Good luck getting a rope and a bucket down into that.

      Also, most city councils now require you to fill in those open-access wells and cover them over as they present a danger to small children and could easily be exploited to endanger the aquifer for the entire surrounding area.

      I don’t think the fellow above wanted to be able to turn on his tap and get water. I think he just wanted to be able to access the water, period.
      There are very skinny, and very long tubes you can put down into your modern-day well to bring up nearly a gallon of water at a time – you can buy them or make your own. Be prepared though to remove the current pump and wiring from the top of your well so you can get your tube-bucket down in there. Keep in mind also that these tubes will be a real pain to handle – imagine how long the tube would need to be, at only 2″ in diameter (including the thickness of the tube walls), to hold a gallon of water.

      • As far as the pump, even a simple hand pump will suffice with the modern narrow gauge wells. Another thing with weapons one may consider too is the types, while we all probably stock up plenty of ammo, even reloading supplies, if for any reason that stuff runs out, we’re SOL. It would be a good idea to broaden our horizons when it comes to weapons, whether its getting into flintlock BP guns, archery, even air guns (big bore mainly). With the flintlocks you can possibly chip your own flints from raw stock, and make your own BP (illegal now but after TEOTWAKI, who cares?), and mold your own lead balls. Archery is the same thing with arrows and if you make your own recurve bows, you can also make strings for them too. And while .177/.22 airguns are commonplace and good for small game hunting, the big bore guns that shoot .30+ slugs are more than able to take down man size targets or large game and only require a little elbow grease to pump them up. If you keep extra seal kits for rebuilding the pumps and air chambers, the guns should last multiple lifetimes.

        Talking about going back to the ways of our pioneer forefathers after a collapse, its interesting when people say that if something like an EMP or other civilization ending event occurred we’d be pushed back to the 1800s. I would say we’d be pushed back to the 1500’s, people in the 1800’s were accustomed to living with very little in the way of tech, but we would suffer big time because we wouldn’t be able to function without HVAC, modern waste disposal, or everything else we’ve gotten used to, most of us would probably die off from stress long before nature reclaims us. How many people would make it in the deep south after one good summer of 95+ degree weather w/o AC or in the far north with subzero winters lasting months?

  68. Bill Wakefield says:

    I think there is at least one more:

    Eddie the fourth generation welfare recipient. He and all those like him who mis-perceive an entitlement to minimum standards of comfort without having to earn it.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Bill Wakefield,
      Yep, Eddie the welfare recipient is going to be upset when meals on wheels doesn’t show. People who have hit on hard times and are receiving benefits to get them to the other side are not going to be the same problem as Eddie who has not learned to do for himself. Wished it wasn’t so…

      • Joseph morehouse says:

        I have about 20 of these dead-beats in my family group and they live less than acouple miles from me any ideals how to deal with them?

        • Jeff Harper says:


          Start looking for an area in a state or national forest, where you can bury a cache and bug out to, otherwise move.

  69. Here’s a tip from earthquake city…Have some plastic waste can sized bags to line your toilet with after the water is gone. Debris can then be removed and stored away from your living area and sanitation (and health) can be maintained.

  70. A thought, I changed from using scoopable cat litter, to pelleted pine horse bedding, available for sure at Tractor Supply, and probably other such types of stores, 40 lb bag about $5.00 keeps the smell down better, lasts longer than granular litter and would be good for human waste also.

  71. I apparently have not had my quota of coffee, today…my comment “If you get a lot of son,” when speaking about solar ovens, should be “If you get a lot of SUN”.

  72. Excellent article. Thanks so much for the info. I’m in an awkward situation. I’m a “little ole lady” living alone, a serious prepper, but everyone KNOWS I’m a prepper because I write a newspaper column entitled, “Just in Case” for the local newspaper,speak on the subject, and am an instructor with CERT. Oops. However, most don’t know where I live…and I use a PO Box for everything. However, when the stuff happens, I know I’m a “mark”….so what do I do? My neighbors (I only have a few…I live in a rural area) think I’m silly for preparing. Two MIGHT band with me in an emergency, but the rest will be freeloaders. If you get a chance, check out my article, “In a Disaster, Don’t Come to My House”. It’s on my website… But I know people will. wish some of YOU who responded lived near me!

    • Survival Diva says:

      Loa Kirk Anderson,

      We’re in the same situation, then. A high profile makes it difficult to disappear. When you write about prepping, it’s no longer a guessing game for the bad guy, or the desperate. Because you are bound to be well-respected and a known prepper, the next post on this site may hold a few workable answers to your dilemma. A hint: it involves grouping together with other like-minded folks, but it must be approached safely…very safely ( :

  73. Jan, one thing you might consider is dehydrating food, given your husband & mother aren’t in good enough shape to lift heavy things.

    Frozen veggies have already been blanched, prior to freezing, and they are excellent items to dehydrate. To extend their shelf life, one only needs to remove as much air as is possible and re-freeze them after dehydrating, as their their shelf life is not as long as canned goods are. If you google “backpacking recipes” you will find numerous meal recipes for you to pick from, all of which are stored in freezer ziplock bags, which means hot water can be added to the bag. Dried beans are a good source of protein. If your mother is in her 80’s she most likely can advise you on things her parents did, during the Great Depression. Most southern women my age (60’s) were taught at an early age, how to prepare dried beans because the southern & rural people ate a lot of them, during the depression! Add some rice to the beans and you also get a good source of carbohydrates. May not be as good as a steak, but you can survive on them! Just be sure to soak them and pour off the water they soaked in. Soaking removes the enzyme that causes gas.

    For those in “sunny” areas…a solar oven can be made from a aluminum windshield shade. If you get a lot of son, these “solar ovens” will cook at temps as high as 350 degrees. Those of us who live in the southern region of the US usually have a lot of sunshine, even in the winter, however, even here, these do not work as well, in the winter.
    To cook with these, you need to have a large plastic bag or oven bags for the pot to be enclosed in to hold heat in.

    Also, for both personal use and bartering, consider learning how to make homemade products, such as laundry detergent. All it takes to do that is Borax, Fels Naptha or Zote soap bars and Arm & Hammer Washing soda (NOT baking soda). “Recipes” are online for both liquid and dry powder detergent. The dry powder detergent requires Ivory soap, as well. There are so many things that we currently buy, ready made, that we can make ourselves, if we need to. However….if you think you may need it, best print the info now, for fear you won’t have access to the info, should the power grid & internet go out! If you know how to make it and stock up on some of the supplies, it could become a barter item, at a later time….keep in mind, even in the worst of times, people want to try to maintain some form of cleanliness…you can not only make homemade cleaning products but also personal items such as shampoo and soap.

    • I tried to make the solar oven with the windshield shade .I’m in florida,the sun was right above me with a black pot and it didn’t go above150.So I bought a sun oven.I love it!The first thing I tried was beans.They took a little less than 4 hrs.I didn’t even start them till 1:00. I have made 4 pulled pork dinners in it.It’s the best $250. i’ve spent.I also got the parabolic cooker.That is very big but it will cook anything comparitable to the stove burner.But then I thought,what if it was dangerous outside or it was raining?So I saw the wonder oven.A girl showed on utube how to make it yourself.Boil whatever meal in pot 10 min. lid on.DO NOT LIFT LID! Take a clothes basket,put a sleeping blanket it it opened.put the pot in it ,tuck the blanket around it tight.Lay on top another blanket and maybe a pillow.leave covered 4-5 hrs.NEVER open.the pot it will still be boiling hot and food cooked like a crock-pot.

  74. I have a nice house I live in on the outside of town. Retired, and worried about the future of our country. Also have a lot of “stuff”. Most of it would not be worth crap if this all came about. My wife has suggested getting rid of it all, buying an RV and traveling. I see an advantsae to that if things went bad, but I also see a real downside. If you lose the RV, you lose everything. Has anyone have any ideas on this?

    • davidmobile says:

      Having spent about half the year this year in an RV, I definitely have some input for you. I can’t go into detail right now, but will see if I can later today.

    • Survival Diva says:

      This is a bit of a stretch…but interesting. I’ve heard of folks who plan on living on a boat and expect to be able to travel if necessary. Course, that means living close to a waterway and that Martial Law won’t have the Coast Guard barreling down on them…

      A motor home may be an alternative, but you will have to have access to gas. Pulling it on a piece of off-grid property might be workable.

      I’ll be posting an article on buying rural property on the cheap for those interested in a relatively cheap bug-out property or cabin. Could be a possibility.

    • Jeff Harper says:


      You have a house on wheels. If you had a house on a slab, you wouldn’t store everything for emergencies only in your house, would you? If you don’t have tow car or a small trailer to tow, get one and store emergency items in the car or trailer.

    • John, keep it rural. It would be difficult not only keeping it fueled, but getting by road blocks either from zombies or martial law enforcement.

      • I also visited the idea of living in an RV but the main downside I see to it, coming from one who’s trying to live a more self reliant lifestyle, is that by being a nomad, you won’t be able to do things like raise a garden, have livestock, or even stockpile much of any supplies, including bulk fuel for the RV, its onboard genny, or your tow vehicle. I would agree to putting one on a piece of rural property and in the worst case, it could be part of a bug out plan in that the RV could be resettled in your new destination with a fair amount of your stuff, and with the small size of an RV comes less expense for utilities and taxes in many cases. You could even do like some people and take an old school bus and retrofit it to be like a house, leaving its layout to your imagination. I even considered putting a wood stove in one along with solar panels on the roof, such a setup on a rural property with a couple of outbuildings would make up a nice little rural settlement versus building a huge house, plus it makes it a little harder for one to sneak up on you when there isnt a lot of house for them to move through. If your dogs start going off, you’ll be able to spot a threat instantly versus having to walk through your house trying to get to the door, not knowing if someone’s already inside. Anyway, the only other thing with RV living would also be income, unless youre retired or have some type of business that makes money with minimal direct input from you, like an online business of some sort, money will be a deciding factor. Just like with everything else, RV living has its variables that determine whether it’ll be a success or failure.

  75. If you accept the FREE gift of eternal life with CHRIST who died on the cross to pay for it ,for all that have faith and invite the WHOLLY SPIRT in to their heart then you will have peace of mind when and if this takes place. I don’t plan on being around, but I will leave my unsaved loved ones the ability to survive long enough to come to accept JESUS CHRIST and the free gift of eternal life in paradise. I believe it’s going to take a crises to get them to open their eyes to the truth. How about you?

    • Patriot Dave says:

      AGREED. Best prep anyone could ever do, bar none. Death rate is 1 per person. Only thing worse than dying premature death, is to live a long, healthy robust life and spend eternity separated from the loving God who died for you and offers a free gift.

  76. When all of this really goes down, if you don’t have Jesus, you won’t have anything at all.

    • Jeff Harper says:

      Dennis, you are absolutely correct. We can plan, prepare and store what we can and then we must trust in Almighty God to take care of the rest.

  77. Col. John Baker says:

    I have been preppingsince the 90s and have have enough food from Ready Reserve to feed 14 people for a whole year and seds after that. and enough weapons and ammo to out fit an small army. But my problem has always been logistics ( geeting a “bug out truc”. Just bought a used 36′ RV for that purpose (if needed). And I have all the rest for water purification, etc. I have to prepare for my family and the grandchildren, in case. Love your reviews and facts that you send to us……thank you.

  78. Lynnette says:

    Just some food for thought… Next time you go shopping…. “DO” get a shopper’s card… and use it… Only this “one” is an “extra one”….. You do not have to use the one that is linked to your personal information… People do it all the time… Just use it to buy all of your “survival” items… and it’s a win win situation… You “save” and you can not be ‘tracked’………… it works for me…!!!

    • Patriot Dave says:

      a “shopper’s card” sound generic. Is there a card not associated with a specific store? How do you not link it to your personal info? can you create a fake id for the card? Would you elaborate please.

      • Caribou says:

        I believe this to be a reference to a store rewards card not a credit card. You present it when you purchase, along with cash or a credit card, to get immediate discounts and/or future discounts. One of mine give me immediate discounts on selected items and a ten cent discount on gas for each hundred bucks I spend. So, if I spend three hundred I get thirty cents per gallon off a fill up. To get one of these you just ask and they have you fill out an application. I have never been asked to present ID. Put whatever name and address you wish on it. Use it and get your savings. If you want them to send advertising then you need to give the right info.

      • Some stores hand you the card stuck onto the bottom of the application and ask you to fill it out and mail it in. In that case, just pull the card off and toss the application in the trash.

        Usually the cashiers will have a card at their register to use when shoppers forget their own. Just act surprised, feel through your pockets or look disgustedly at your keys and ask the cashier if they have a card you can use. Tell them you grabbed the wrong set of car keys. (These card programs always have a small keychain card in addition to a wallet-size card.)

        Get in line behind someone who has their card out and ready. When they’re done paying, ask them very sweetly if you could please use their card – you forgot yours. I haven’t met anyone yet who wouldn’t happily hand it over for five seconds while the cashier swipes it for you.

        • Guyotron says:

          Many stores don’t even require that you present the card, and allow you to enter your phone number. One phone number that’s almost universally valid (because folks are wise-acres) is Jenny’s… 867-5301. Get the discounts for being a shopper and keep your purchases off of your record.

  79. Have stocked up some, 2 backup generator ( small & large ), 100 gal of fuel, at least 3 months of food for family, several hand guns ( all same caliber ) a couple AR’s long rang & short range. Propane for cooking & fireplace, generator for well water, 2000 ft veggie garden.
    We practice our shooting every month, got it down to a golf ball at 200+ yds.
    Do need to have black plastic to cover light through windows, will work on that.
    We did pick up hand radios to communicate with each in local area and hope to start working with some Spec Ops guys on CQ protection.
    We also installed outside cameras to cover all 4 sides
    Any other ideas?

    • remember to rotate your gas….or have the additives needed to keep it viable. It degrades quickly and will not work if stored for too long. Cameras are nice, when you have power….I would not use the generator just to operate cameras, the trade off of attracting attention is not worth it. Same for motion lights….if power is out, no good, but solar lights…they always work…not as well, but they work. Again, not worth the noise to run generator and attract attention

      • Jeff Harper says:

        Stabil from Walmart helps preserve fuel, but rotate at least every 10 months if your year round temperature is above 50F, but store the fuel in metal cans (pricey but worth it), because the fuel will remain stable for those 10 months. The plastic fuel container’s inner liner will begin to deterioate with fuel in it after 30 days of storage. Keep the plastic containers for future transportation. When the Balloon goes up, find a location on one side of the house, where you know there are no buried sewer or power cables and that faces away from where you think the bad guys could hear a generator and dig a square hole deep enough for the generator’s top to be even with the ground level. Make the square wide enough around it to allow a person to perform liquid replacement
        or repair and face the exhaust pipe of the generator away from the house.

  80. SailormanAndy says:

    One serious threat hasn’t really been addressed. The threat of imposed martial law at the whim of our “government” is already in place. No matter how prepared we may be, we have no protection from unlimited force that can be mobilized against us if we resist. The Branch Dividian and Ruby Ridge murders come to mind. Some of us who are of the mindset that we will fight, even though overwhelmed, and take a few of our enemies along with us, as the Borg in Star Trek advise……Resistance is futal. However, we will try. God help us everyone. Thanks again David, as always I appreciate your efforts and information. What we all have in common is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Andy

    • Survival Diva says:

      Martial Law is almost inevitable post-collapse and a huge concern. Those of us with family members who plan to get to a bug-out location that’s across state lines is a problem. Trying to come up with an answer basically involves a topographical map, guns & amo, an ATV, and lots of prayer. Too bad most of us aren’t part of the 1% who could afford it!

      • AJTexas says:

        Ms. Diva,
        I live in a small town in Texas, 1500 population. I have extended family members that are the local Chief of Police and the County Constable. Fortunatley, I live on a 240 acre compound and we are “well armed” but not necessarully fully prepared. This is something I am working on to resolve. An item I recently read pointed to getting to be friends/strong acquaintences with your local butcher (be that commercial or an experienced hunter), a doctor or nurse, a vet (animal kind, not military kind), a military vet, and a mechanic for starters. Spend some time talking with your neighbors, in general terms, about would they do if, for example, fire struck and the town were to be desimated. When you find people that “think like you do” take it to the next level, if you feel you can “trust” them. In small communities like mine there is a gold mine of “human resources” that may be tapped. Just because you live in the “city” doesn’t mean you cannot take the same mindset by talking to neighbors, community group members or your religeous community. “Human resources” are all around you and you can tap into them without “showing your cards”.

        Jut my thoughts.

        • Survival Diva says:

          Many preppers with high profiles have done just what you suggest here; get involved in the community. Let people know they can trust you to help in a time of collapse. Even then, they don’t always hand over a laundry list of their preparedness inventory. This is a good idea for all preppers willing to be involved on a local level.

    • Actually, we can prep for just about anything. History is replete with examples of people that resisted governments. Many wind up like Waco but others turn out quite the opposite. It is not so much that we can’t prepare for everything but that it is unlikely that we can think of everything to prepare for. For me I pick the most likely things that I feel could happen to me and I prep for those. As funds and time allow I widen the number of scenarios or go further in depth on my preps.

  81. Jayd, you’re right…One of the biggest fears will be when the govt., police, sheriff, come to your door and say, “I’m hear to help! LOL! Lock and Load. Indiana has it right in that they give the citizen the right to stand their ground against law enforcement without a warrant.

    • AJTexas says:

      Incorrect Tom, Indiana just passed a law clarifying that “opinion”. A citizen does NOT have legal standing to “stand your ground” against illegal law enforcement searches/seizures. Check NRA-ILA and search Indiand Stand Your Ground.

      • AJ, you’re right, tom is Wrong. The Indiana law allowed for the use of force during “unlawful law enforcement entries. This is not the same as warrantless entries. Tom needs to check his sources. Putting out bad info like that can get someone seriously hurt, both civilian and law enforcement.

  82. Kenneth Houdek says:

    Ok,got my sandbag bunker plans drawn and ready for construction when the shit hits the fan.

  83. Regarding water: We have a 22,000 gal swiming pool. Water is crystal clear but because of the chemicals added over the years I don’t consider it drinkable. I’m sure if we didn’t have any other option we would drink it but I would worry about it. Chlorine of course isn’t the problem, it dissipates. Algaecides, like copper don’t dissipate. Rain dilutes it somewhat but slowly. The only sure solution is to drain, refill and never put anything in that would affect drinkability. Many people have pools and should try to make that water part of their plans.
    Any comments?

    • Survival Diva says:

      Just recently, the question of whether a water purifier would be enough to purify pool water was asked. I checked with Burkey. Their answer is yes, but it can shorten the life of the replacement filters, so stocking up on extras will be necessary.

    • AJTexas says:

      One word, waterheater. An often overlooked source for “drinkable/potable” water.

    • captain mike says:

      A great reservoir – I have one too. Get a distiller. Electric ones are great while the grid works – which may happen from time to time. There are also non-electrics that can be powered with any heat source. Learn to fabricate a parabolic solar reflector from cardboard and aluminum foil – it’s a great source of heat and can be used for cooking too, with no smoke smell. Also there are small volume solar stills made for life rafts.

  84. Gulfcoast Gal says:

    Because of excessive heat along the coast, I’m looking at Mainstay 3600 calorie ration bars for stashing and for b.o.b. (Hobbit fans can think of them as Lembas bread.) I would also say they would come in handy for apartment dwellers as it “beats starving and takes up minimal space.” It has the advantage of being a stealth food, also — no cooking required, so no aromas attracting the hungry neighbors.

    Another item for extreme heat & humidity stash areas might be Daytrex Water Pouches (5 year shelf-life) or Purified Canned Emergency Drinking Water (30+ year shelf life). The latter is very pricey, but there’s an old saying: “When the well is dry, you know the worth of water.”

    Soul food: Do whatever you do to make peace with life ending, because it frees you to live. I personally carry a military personnel prayer book that has seen me through many tough hours. Also, it covers everything from birth to death prayers in a small handbook. I consider it part of my first aid kit.

    Native American heritage tells me, “It’s a good day to die.” I think those of us on the brittle side may have the mental, spiritual and emotional advantage in this area. As another elderly poster once said, “I may not be good for much, Sonny; but I can cover your backside while you get to safety!” I admire that spunk and the mindset.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Gulfcoast Gal,

      Your post is inspiring. My mother–part of our large group–just went to the Dollar Store and purchased Bibles. Now, if we run into someone who has lost hope post-collapse, we’ll have a few cans of food AND the Bible. Faith can be a driving force ( :

  85. UncleLee says:

    Make friends with your local police or Sheriff’s Officers now while things are calm. Think long and hard about trading ammo for anything as it could be used against you later. Just a couple additional thoughts to ponder. Good article.

  86. Harold Dean says:

    I will have to differ with you on the 911 cellphone statement!! I worked for General Electric as a field service engineer and had to drive from Illinois to NYC to assist in generator placement, operation and maintenance. While in our first meeting, the leader (self appointed) made the comment that the cellphones he had acquired were no good since cellphones did not work in NYC due to the repeater antennas being on the trade center and having gone down., About that time, my cellphone rang and it was my wife wanting to know if I had arrived safely. I had her tell the leader where she was calling from. I told him his problem was his lack of knowledge and there was a sharpy just waiting to sell him that batch of analog cellphones and mine had digital capability was the reason it worked. I refused to let them have my cellphone for communications and our relationship while shaky to begin with deteriorated rapidly after that.

    • davidmobile says:

      Thanks, Harold! That’s exactly my point…never underestimate randomness after a large scale disaster.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Harold Dean,

      I was once a general manager of cellular in Alaska. There is a lot involved with cellular communication: Jammed lines, an earthquake that took down a repeater site nearby, and days down the road: how long is their back-up power going to last? this will vary between one provider and another. On the prepper’s side: do they have a way to recharge the battery?

      It IS possible cellular service will be operational, but that will be dependent upon the location and the situation.

      I have spoken to many preppers who do not have a backup plan for communications. Arranging, beforehand, where to meet, and the like is a practical, just-in-case idea.

      • Jeff Harper says:


        When the normal cell towers which supported digital cell transmissions went awry during Katrina, people in New Orleans were getting their messages out by texting. Somehow, texting uses a different frequency or transmission setting to travel. I’ve found that often times out in the country, I can get a message out, texting, with one bar on my cell. Those who don’t wish to found by the authorities, don’t forget to pull the guts out of your cell phones. Keep thinking and remember the LORD IS IN CONTROL and though He permits us to go through affliction, His plan is the best one…so place your trust in Him when all else fails. Besides, remember too that there is a comma after death….:)

        • Survival Diva says:

          Good point. Cell phones can grab conversations and triangulate locations, even when turned off. Most cell phones can be neutralized by removing the battery. I have heard some of the newest models have location capabilities, even with the battery removed.

  87. What you’ve failed to mention is that one of the biggest threats will come from those who have sworn an oath to “protect and serve”. Not many are more ruthless and contra survival than the sheriff’s dept. and bureaucracies during a time when their monopoly on force is no longer restricted. The mindset of the ‘public servant’ is very often psychopathic and very hostile to those they consider inferior to them.

    • Jayd, I beg to differ with you. I don’t know where you live, but I don’t believe those sworn to uphold the constitution will be much of a problem. Sure there are bad apples in the barrel, but they’re the minority. The problem will come from those who haven’t been sworn to uphold the constitution such as the UN troops being trained in this country as we write. Most of the law enforcement I’ve known, alot with 31 years in the profession, would NEVER violate the constitution like our fearful leader does on an almost weekly basis. My suggestion is if you live in a big city, get to know the law enforcement who works your beat, if you live in a rural area, get to know the deputies. You’ll probably find them to be an outstanding asset in a difficult time.

      • davidmobile says:

        Martin, I’d flip that around and find out how YOU can be an asset to local law enforcement in a disaster situation. It might mean going through POST, becoming an instructor in a skill set that they need, planning on taking care of their family in a disaster situation, or similar courses of action.

        Depending on your area, this may be a situation where you pick one or a few like-minded officers to help or it might mean helping out on a department level.

        • Jeff Harper says:


          Your reply to is spot on. Martin; Getting to know the public sector workers is being a responsible citizen during these peaceful times. Gaining a skill in LE would be highly beneficial (POST) and consider working as a Red Cross volunteer or join a local CERT if one is nearby. These two orgainizations often work side by side with firemen, police and the county Sheriff, so you can increase your windows of opportunity for an overlook if the authorities are directed for “the common good” to collect your stash. When you find one or two wantabe preppers, get them to read David’s articles and start a chat session to discuss everything under the sun now, so you won’t be under the clouds later.

  88. Childress says:

    We live in the country and have a water well, I would like to find a solar pump when we lose power. Where do I start looking.


    • A wind mill has powered water wells for centuries, build an auxiliary wind powered energy source for running your pumps et. al. just like the ranchers and farmers have done for millennia.

      • And it’s also a visual beacon to those who know what to look for. It’s the visual equivalent of running a noisy generator.

      • Nice idea, but don’t you think the “looters” looking for clues in order to find who has assets to take will see this wind mill? It will be like a lighthouse beacon calling for trouble.

      • Patriot Dave says:

        a solar powered generator is silent and no moving parts. just pricy.

      • Great Grey says:

        Windmills are not a cure-all. My mother grew up get water from a windmill and there were times they didn’t have water because wind didn’t blow enough and that in Nebraska one of the windier states.

    • One of David’s readers suggested the ‘Simple Pump’. I checked it out and was quite impressed. You can even outfit it with a 12 volt motor. It’s on my soon to buy list. Check it out by searching Simple Pump on line.

  89. Montego Man says:

    I CONCUR!!!!!

    Ms. Diva is spot on in her comments as well as David. Remember, be sensible in whom you trust now, at this moment, and when the EVENT occurs. My family has instructions and what to do and how to do it. My trusted neighnors knowwhat to do. We ae able to fortify ourselves while protecting and cooperating with each other. Now is the time to plan.

    • The advice is contradictory in several points. Perhaps the most glaring contradiction is the “don’t make your home look vacant” point followed promptly by “don’t light up your home at night”. Houses that are dark at night sure look vacant….

  90. Great information and thank you. A couple of things you may want to consider for making your windows less obvious is heavy duty foil and duck tape, it will cut all inside light from the outside world. Small plastic bags, like the ones from the local grocery store can also be used for the bathroom. Line your toilet bowel, lower the seat and there you have a way to use the toilet without using water to flush. You will have to burry the bag, but it will conserve the water. I have saved these for years to use for trashcan liners in the bathroom and every once in awhile have used the above mentioned toilet liner method and it does work. It did not work for the liquid though.

  91. Curtis B says:

    Well said and right on!!! Splitting our preparedness items is a REAL good idea….. As they say, never put all your eggs in one basket!!

  92. Brent Gosslinh says:

    I hope I’m wrong, but I think you may have forgotten the most important group of looters – those sent by the government to confiscate any and all food, etc., “for the greater good”, and for the “continuance of government” (due to Obama’s recent EO setting this in place to happen) Them’s the ones who will get my precious metals – lead first!

    • wildwood one one says:


      With the talk about the government using drones for whatever, they could spot your stash from the air.

      Of course, if you use aluminum foil on the windows, even to reflect hot sun when there is no A/C, that is the clue that you might be a prepper. Seems we can’t win.

    • Survival Diva says:

      Brent Gosslinh,

      Water-tight buckets and a shovel ( :

  93. I am in a sort of state of flux. Right now I live by myself and have been watching several of the neighbors to see who I might try to team with in the event this comes down. I have been putting in survival supplies which I do not believe any of the neighbors know I have. One person who would likely be handy is also dying of cancer, the neighbor next door, whose boyfriend has weapons and knows how to use them, has shown herself to be unreliable, a pot smoker and drinker who has gone off the deep end more than once. Another neighbor, who has many skills that would come in very handy, has an alcohol problem which would be, I think, controllable, but she is out of town and state most of the time with her work, and in the initial stages of an emergency would likely be called to work to evacuate people from overseas. I have food and water storage, pet food stored, a bunch of medical supplies to include things I do not expect to have to use for myself, but for others who might get sick or injured, several cooking alternatives, have put black out curtains in all but one room, which I basically use just to store supplies and to keep some dogs I’m currently fostering in. Don’t need lights in there at night anyhow.
    Have been buying rechargeable batteries, small solar stations and panels to be able to recharge batteries, battery operated fans, flashlights that recharge by cranking, along with radios that do the same. Lots of water purification devices and methods, a Water Bob, a portable toilet, with disposal bags and stuff that congeals waste, and live in an area where that would be easy to safely dispose of. Have bought a JawSaw chainsaw that even I can safely use, cast iron cooking equipment and a tripod for once you might be able to safely cook outside, lot of firewood, lots of propane, firelogs, a couple of ABC extinguishers, couple hundred gallons of water, medical supplies for the pets who need them to last for months if necessary, some of which would work wonders on humans as well, DMSO being one of those. Have been buying extra blankets, cots, pads for people who might end up sleeping here. I have a pellet gun, a stun gun, a lot of pepper spray, wasp and hornet spray, bear spray, even a sling shot, with some huge marbles I bought from Amazon, but do not currently have a real gun, my most glaring omission. Have figured out, as Dave advised, what household items are in each room that could be used for self defense if necessary. I do have dogs, not that big, but two of them are very aggressive with ANYONE other than me, and are also very protective of me, and at the least would bite anyone who tried to come in badly enough you would be able to follow their blood even if they killed them and me, although that wouldn’t help my pooches or me. Little Dude and Rex are basically feral, and I have to put them up now if anyone comes into the house to work and the maintenance men around here, who I do not trust at all, know they will get bit if they try to come in here and I’m not home. I do have things here available to use should need be to make the doors secure since I am a renter and it is against my lease agreement to change locks or alter things at this time. Once things get out of hand, I do not think they will be checking that much initially to be sure people are totally complying with the lease agreements. I know already that the windows here are made of something which makes it very difficult to break them, as I got locked out one time and tried to break one with a big log which I tried to break the window with and the log literally bounced off the window and damn near hurt me.
    One real concern I have here is if the SHTF in the hot south Texas summer, we will not be able to survive with the windows closed day and night, it will be way too hot to survive. This coming week we are supposed to have an entire week over 100 with several days near 105. You would have a hard time making it through that without AC or without having windows open. I have had experience before surviving a situation like that where we had a 10 day heat wave and I did not have AC, but was able to keep the windows open and would keep myself and my pets wet to lower the body temperature and that does work. You get yourself as wet as you can with your clothes on and that makes you a lot cooler and you do the same for your pets to get them through a bad heat wave. And drink a LOT of fluids. I have bought a lot of powdered gator ade and other powdered drinks for use after the prepared drinks of that nature are gone, and have also bought powdered electrolytes for the animals if need arises to use them. Long storage life on both. And have put in lots of coffee and have been buying little bottles of alcohol for barter as I don’t drink hard liquor, but Dave says it is a good barter item to have on hand. I have been buying the little bitty bottles so I don’t have to let people known what I have on hand, and can offer one or two or more in trade as the item I wish to trade for merits instead of those big bottles of hooch. And SNUs and cigarettes. I am also keeping as much of my money in cash now instead of all going directly onto debit cards, so that I will have some cash available if needed, although I have to admit, most of what i get is gone by the end of the month anyhow for putting in supplies. I do have inverters for my vehicle that will allow me to use the power in my vehicle to run electric things once it gets safe enough to do so, as long as I have gas to run the vehicle. I have a couple of small gas containers but again our lease forbids storage of any gas containers anywhere near the “cabins,” or in the available to rent storage units. Not really sure where the safest place to store them would be once the SHTF, right now I store them in the shade in the yard, as it is the ONLY allowable place to store them under the lease regulations. And in the heat we are having right now, not totally sure even that is safe, but at least if they blow where they are, noting much will burn but one tree which doesn’t have any dry grass around it to catch fire and spread. and the tree is not near any buildings that could catch fire if the tree fell.
    I have a little hand run washer, lots of detergent, been buying melamine dishes at thrift stores, lots of plastic eating utensils, lots of paper plates, have a lot of canned food and MREs to eat until it becomes safe to cook again, enough for several more people as needed. Have a lot of charcoal, sterno, hexa-something or another cubes, lighters, matches, besides the propane and firewood.
    Other than real weapons, what am I lacking? Besides human back up, which I already am way too aware of.

    • Gulfcoast Gal says:

      Gena, I’m dead serious but still smiling… If you’ve never eaten MRE’s, they are very binding. Add laxatives to the list of must-haves.

    • Gouchybear says:

      One thing that is lacking, and just about everyone misses it, is COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE
      or HAM RADIO. Cell phones will be useless, the internet will be down, landlines will be out…BUT HAM radio will be working. Get a license, buy a 2 meter radio and learn how to use it. It could save your life…

      • Survival Diva says:

        Good point! The next few posts will be a series of “how To” and Ham radio will be covered, including how to avoid being targeted (in some cases triangulated) when using Ham Radio.

    • Wow!!

      You go girl!! You have done alot and should be proud of yourself. Now that you have all of those supplies, have you practiced using them??

      My family and I have the same problem as you. No human backup. Too bad for both of us, but keep trying to feel people out. That’s all we can do.

      Best of luck!!

    • Survival Diva says:


      Your post made me smile and gave me hope! So often I wonder if anyone is getting genuinely prepared. You’ve been working hard! As far as having a group for safety…that will be in an upcoming post: that and other subjects that will go a long ways towards survival. Yes, guns and plenty of amo will be a necessity. That may be something to go on the top of the list. BUT a gun isn’t enough. You’ll want at least basic training, so if the time ever comes, you’re able to protect yourself.

    • Patriot Dave says:

      With neighbors like that, at least you will know your looters. 🙂 A different neighborhood may not be any better when SHTF. A known and prepared for danger is sometimes better than an unknown.

      Talk to your landlord about one of those plastic portable storage containers/sheds people put in the back yard. Since its not permanent, he may agree. you can lock it and keep the gas out of sight. Tell him you want to keep the grill and lawn chairs in it because of “clutter”.

      BTW, I have changed the locks of every rental I have had. Regardless of the lease. If your landlord obeys the lease, he will notify you for repairs and inspections, and I made sure I was present. If the landlord is sneaky, and finds out, you can confront him and ask why he is trying to get in without proper notice. If he give you the Emergency BS, tell him If its a fire, or gas leak the first responders will not let him in anyway. If a water leak the main valve is in the basement. If its normal repairs, you will be present and let him in. If its to show the apartment, same thing. There is a clause that you are entitled to Quiet Enjoyment” that mean privacy and not being spied on. If he will not obey that, move when the lease expires.

      I disagree with people using alcohol for barter. Too many people get their “nerve” up with it. I suspect they will then come back to rob you for the rest they assume you have. where there is some, there has to be more. cigarettes, beer, most wine will all go stale, bad or turn into vinegar. Rice, beans, blankets, sterno imho are much better. Plus you can use these items yourself. Money better spent.

      You have done a lot for an apartment dweller. keep it up.

    • AJTexas says:

      As stated below by Survival Diva a firearm and the knowldge and skills to use it safely and under stress are of paramount importance. It appears that you do not have an abundance of liquid cash to invest in a firearm so may I suggest two weapons in particular. They are both very inexpensive, you can use the same magazine, the device that holds your ammunition, in both weapons, providing you purchase the same caliber in both weapons, and provide a very reasonable level of personal protection. These weapons are manufactured by Hi-Point Firearms and are available at just about any firearms dealer. Although the Hi-Point handgun is, IMHO, ugly as sin, it is equally as reliable. Hi-Point also makes the Hi-Point XX95-TS which is a very managable carbine (short rifle). These weapons are available in 9MM, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Visit your gun store and hold them, see which one “fits” your hand the best. You can acquire both of these weapons for a tad over $600.00, out the door.

      No matter what you get, get something NOW and start your training. It is critically important. One last thing, mind set is as important if not more important than the weapon. Are you prepared to “take a life” to save your own, your neighbor, your friend?

    • brescon says:

      I have the same problem. I approached one neighbor i thought was of similar mind. she told her husband and now every time he sees me he asks me some stupid question about my “gun”..he doesn’t know I have a gun ; I thinks he’s just trying to be funny. After that experience I keep my preps to myself. He has even annoyed my husband. people joke about it and we all laugh but I think we will just go it alone. This is a touchy subject . How can you really know if someone has the preps the says they do when you meet them? Is it I’ll show you mine if you show me yours? My husband works 3 1/2 hrs away so if the SHTF and he’s not here chances are I will be on my own and that’s what I plan for.

      • captain mike says:

        Go get a cheap .22. They will rat you out and you will need to give the authorities something.

    • Gena, don’t bad mouth that shotgun you have. Depending on what it is, could be the best defense weapon available. Hard to conceal, but very effective. All of the ammo manufacturers have excellent defense ammo from buckshot to rifled slugs. Get yourself a good supply of different shells until you can improve your arsonal. But remember, no one can go it alone. Please work at finding trusting assistance.

    • Great Grey says:

      Not good:
      have put black out curtains in all but one room, which I basically use just to store supplies and to keep some dogs I’m currently fostering in. Don’t need lights in there at night anyhow.
      Just because you don’t use a room at night does not mean it won’t leak light. Most inside doors leak light like a sieve around the edges, and especially at the bottom. Also light can leak between the jam and frame. And then there is no guarantee somebody won’t open the door.
      Depending on lighting windows can act like mirrors and let things be seen that are not in direct view.

  94. Doug Vail says:

    Great advice. But there is one class of looter that as left out. Relatives . You must decide how far out on a limb of your family tree you will be willing to help. Will you take in siblings if it means your immediate family is at risk.? How about cousins? How about your spouses family? If it isn’t decided before the SHTF there will be big problems.
    I am greatful that your newsletter has got people thinking about being prepared. We have to make a large number of hard decisions but it is essential we make these decisions BEFORE we are actually faced with disaster.

    • Gouchybear says:

      Doug, Good point. We’ve had the discussion with me, my wife, wife’s sister and her husband (the In-Laws) and have been told by sister in law and brother in law that my family is to head to their place in another state where an enclave has been established. Problem is the in-laws also have a brother who is a drug abuser and a blabber mouth, and is on major psych meds to keep him stable. So, it was decided he, the brother, would be the first one shot. Plain and simple because when his psych meds run out (he can only get a 30 day supply at one time) he WILL become psychotic and very violent. I never liked him much anyway…

    • Survival Diva says:

      Doug Vail,
      You’re right! Most of the time, it boils down to the prepper. What family members to help, or not is probably one of the toughest decisions any prepper has to make. If you don’t have someone in the group who needs Phyc med’s like Grouchybear mentioned, sometimes the decision is made on how much money is available for the extra food storage, and how much room you have to put them up.

      There’s another side to this. What if you have a family member who is a dead-eye, or someone who has medical training…what about carpentry skills? It’s possible their training is just as valuable to your survival as the cost of extra food is. In a collapse, it’s my belief we’ll have a MUCH better chance of survival with a group. This will be discussed in the next post ( :

    • Another form of looter to add to the list is the G-Man, whether it be FEMA, local police/sheriff, or military, whether under orders or on their own, deciding to help themselves to whatever you have, probably at gunpoint. While we could probably survive a shootout with the gangbangers and convicts, getting into a shootout with local police, SWAT or military is not going to work out to our advantage in any way, shape or form, unless for some odd reason, the Lord feels you have a higher calling than dying from several hundred gunshot wounds trying to protect your stuff. I’m sure the idea of decoying yourself, house and possessions as nothing worth looking at will apply more so to the G-Man than anybody else. Just something else to think about, even with the idea that martial law can occur on a whim.

  95. SECURITY?? How bout keeping several hives of KILLER BEES in remote locations on your property.? Have them set up so you avoid disturbing them during normal times but have a means to disrupt the nest if under attack. A half million pised off bees willing to chase intruders a half mile will play havoc on human attackers. Even if there are a large number of human attackers with guns, they can’t shoot and shoo bees at the same time`. If the human attackers get into vehicles, shoot out the glass to let the bees in. Of course, it will be smart to have a whole body bee suit on while you are shooting the shooers AND when you just want to harvest honey!

    • davidmobile says:

      ET, I think/hope you’re joking or just haven’t studied up on killer bees. They’re nasty and non-discriminate

  96. thank you, very informative

  97. Thank-you! I can see quite a few things I have to be more quiet about. I do have a few people who know I’m trying to prep and they are all family or very close friends! (mostly)

  98. David:

    I read Jakarta Pandemic recently. View from a prepped point of view, but was an obvious target. He needed some of your approaches as he deals with Stan the family man and others. I could see you writing something like this (but as a series of short stories rather than a long book).

    I am ultra mobile, which means I carry 3 personas in 50 pounds – IT consultant, Working Tourist, and Mobile Prepper. I was in Branson in a Cabin when the tornadoes hit middle of the night. Because I was ready, I had plenty of light, water purification, food, and could follow local response teams movements and assessments. Downside of being ultra mobile is obvious, but I am always practicing ‘go scenarios.’ and less dependent on all the ‘stuff.’ Constantly adjusting thanks to many of your ideas 🙂

    Smiles to ya!

  99. Great article, as usual.

    This is why we don’t let anyone we don’t trust to be doing the same thing to know that we’ve spent the last year stockpiling food, water, guns, ammo, cash, silver and propane. Especially neighbors. Because of pets and my 88 year old father in law, we will need to hunker down at home.

    If you haven’t read Daivd’s book, do so. We’ve taken a lot of tactical shooting classes, but like everything else, you have to practice or you’ll lose your skills. Airsoft is a great way to keep up and his book walks you through step by step. If you shoot Glocks, you cannot get an airsoft in the US because of patent infringement, but you can order. I ordered 2 and got them in a week. You can get spare mags from Pyramid Air.

  100. Deciding to stay or go has been my problem. I’m in my 50’s and have chronic anemia, husband in his 70’s has moderate demetia and cant go from point a-b without stopping to wonder why in between, and a mother in her 80’s who is somewhat like me : medical problems but still able to move in short bursts. My first thought was survive in place but then i realized we’re just a few miles from the border of a major rust belt city. Encroachment has been happening even without a crisis. So now I’m setting up for a bug out but the problem is moving the supplies – nobody is up to moving quickly/heavy canned goods etc. I’m trying to put what I can in the truck ahead of time. I’ve had to prod my mom back into disaster mode (she was civil air patrol ,red cross, disaster services and planning but retired) from princess mode (YOU take care of me!) convincing her she needs to help me with tasks of planning and prepping, and that she will need to learn how to shoot what guns we have.
    Having several locations to choose from helps. Even that can wake people up. One freind offered his 5 acre suburban home to us, then realized he lives right across from an Aldi’s warehouse! He’ll be in for a few bad days. They also have acreage farther away, but that a lot of ground to cover to get to it. other extended family have places and say come on down, but dont realize WHY and how long we’re coming for (They dont believe whats going to happen). When I pull up with a truck w 3 people, 2 dogs , 2 cats and put up a large tent…..!!!
    You gotta laugh sometimes at it…beats crying…and keep plugging away!

    • MikeinMontana says:

      I love your attitude!
      My wife and I (along with a few neighbors) are 90% ready. A “can do or die” prespective like yours would make up the 10% we’re lacking.

      Are you near Montana?
      If not, get with others, be helpful, be smart. If “safe” walk every day (say 2 miles) this will help the sugar numbers for diabetics and increases blood flow to the brain, which will help your husbands forgefulness. If you run out of medications the walking advice will difinately help.

      Also, Make sure you know how to use a firearm and decide now you will never be taken prisoner.



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