Balancing OPSEC and Resilient Communities

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Many people who have been watching “Doomsday Preppers” on National Geographic are wondering why in the heck these people are willing to go on TV and show what their preparations are. What they’re doing flies in the face of maintaining operational security and staying under the radar. It makes them more of a target…both now for thieves, and for looters after a disaster.

In case you’re not familiar with Doomsday Preppers, it is a one-hour per episode TV series that highlights the lives and preparations of 3-4 families per episode. Families are told at the beginning of filming what disaster to say that they were preparing for, but the show is filmed in such a way as to make the audience think that everything the families say is un-coached. After being told what disaster they’re supposed to say they’re preparing for, the narrator ends each segment by saying how miniscule the chances of that particular disaster are.

It’s worth noting that the series is part of a family of series called, “American Outliers.”  National Geographic sees preparing for disasters as being loony and does their best to find extreme examples to demonize preparedness, self-reliance, and resilient lifestyles.

That being said, it’s still a good show. It’s exposing current preppers to alternative ways of preparing and it’s stretching the minds of new and non-preppers to the extents that they can go to if they decide they really want to.  It’s also great from a “Goldilocks” perspective–it’s easy to point to things and say, “That’s going too far.”  The format also makes it easy to identify common mistakes and fine tune preparedness goals.

So, why would these people even consider sharing their preparedness “secrets” with the world and, more importantly, their neighbors?

In talking with people who’ve been on the show so far, there are a hand full of answers, but the one I want to focus on today is building resilient communities. And I need to take a slight detour to get there…

There is a traveling expo going around the country called the Preparedness Expo. Frankly, it’s a great event. It’s a medium sized convention filled with local and national preparedness vendors. There are lots of booths where you can check out items and there are presentations going on on multiple stages for most of the weekend.

The odd thing for me, having made great efforts to stay invisible to my neighbors, is how out in the open the vendors are about the fact that they’re preppers. On one hand, I see both these vendors and the participants on prepper TV shows as putting big bulls-eyes on their backs. On the other hand, I completely get a few reasons of what they’re doing and why they’re willing to be visible.

The three main reasons that I see are economic, resilience, and a burning desire.

The economic reason is the simplest and will take the least amount of time to cover. Simply put, I can tell you from experience that it’s difficult to promote a product or service while, at the same time, trying to keep a low profile.

Second is a burning desire to help others get prepared. This is some people’s natural mode of operation. If they see a movie they like, read a book they like, or eat at a restaurant they like, they have a burning desire to share these resources with everyone they care about and won’t quit until everyone in their sphere of influence has had the same positive experience. I’ve had friends like this who have become missionaries, salesmen, and public speakers.

The third reason is the one that I want to focus on…resilience. (An acquaintance of mine, who I think VERY highly of, John Robb, coined the term Resilient Community and you can read more about him at HomeFreeAmerica.us.)  I’ve written often about how households, neighborhoods, communities, towns, cities, regions, states, and countries that have the highest percentage of self-reliant people respond and recover the best after a disaster.

No matter how highly skilled, motivated, funded, and organized a government entity (at any level) is, it is still a bureaucracy and can’t help individual people with basic, boring, everyday needs immediately after a disaster nearly as well as individuals, neighbors, and communities can help themselves…if they’ve prepared.

There is also the reality that 100 preppers in a neighborhood who know and have spent time with each other to one degree or another will be several multiples more effective than if the same 100 preppers are complete strangers and distrustful of one another when disaster strikes.

Couple all of these facts together and it starts to make sense why some preppers have decided that it makes sense for them to let others know what they’re doing. I still don’t do it, but I DO understand it and, in fact, appreciate the efforts of those who have decided to be more visible.

The fact is, an incredibly small number of people can survive for any length of time as an island…it takes a team or a community. Many preppers that I know balance two lives…having a network of non-preppers that they do things with on a daily basis and prep behind the scene. But even these people who appear on the surface like they’re lone wolves are quietly identifying other preppers and are thinking about how they’d form a mutual aid team in the event of a disaster.

Others are quietly building their mutual aid teams and prepping together, even if it’s mostly under the radar. This is the approach that I cover in more detail in the SurviveInPlace.com course.

And still others are out trying to teach as many people as is humanly possible in their local area how to get prepared for disasters…with the thought that they can help build a community that is resilient and bounces back quickly from disasters.

Which approach is best? Frankly, I think it depends on your particular situation. A single, 30 year old male wilderness survival instructor has a completely different set of criteria for “best” than a couple with a brood of young kids or people with physical/health limitations or who are taking care of people with physical/health limitations. Also, a couple might keep a low profile as their kids are growing up and decide to go public once the kids have left the nest. This is a decision that every person/family has to make on their own.

What are your thoughts on these different approaches to preparing? Are you very visible and see security in getting as many people as possible around you to also prepare? Are you prepping behind the scenes and trying to stay invisible? Or are you just prepping and don’t have the bandwidth to teach others OR make efforts to be invisible? Share your thoughts by commenting below.

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David Morris

 

About David Morris

David Morris is the creator of the Survive In Place Urban Survival Course, the Fastest Way To Prepare Course, Urban Survival Playing Cards, Tactical Firearms Training Secrets, and other books, courses, and articles on preparedness, survival, firearms, and other tactical topics. He lives with his wife, 2 boys, and 2 dogs.

Comments

  1. How much you disclose depends also on where you live, or intend to go. After reading David’s blog for years, I changed my plans and decided to prepare to survive in place as opposed to buying a place in the country as my primary location. Now our thinking is we survive in place for 6 months to a year but have a backup plan in the country. Where we are is not urban, we raise chickens, rabbits, pigs, etc but we don’t have a ton of land.

    I have put together a group of 4 families that met my criteria but am looking for a couple more families with specific skill sets. We are extremely tight lipped about what we are doing, but I do talk to other folks in other states about what they are doing. The rule is that no one within 100 miles can now what we are doing but beyond that, I don’t think they are much of a threat. In fact, I have been to several neighboring states outside my 100 mile limit radius and given talks to church groups, loosely affilated groups and folks who want to think about forming a group. Of course I never use my real name and maintain a strict policy concerning communication.

    My feeling is that the more people I can help make resilient, the better off we are as a society.

  2. Just a few thoughts: 1. Even a small group working together has a much better chance of survival (and higher level of survival) than one going it alone, especially over the long term.
    2. Living in, or having a place to go, with rather severe winters has its advantages as far as marauders and/or martial law scenarios are concerned. Remember WW II. The Russian winter killed far more German soldiers than the Russians did. Most people fleeing the cities who are unprepared will be in a panic…… they are not likely to think about what to take with them for winter survival. Likewise, our military has not fought a cold weather war since Korea.
    3. As for how to find like minded people. This is a technique that applies no matter where you are. Get involved in a political campaign. Find a candidate who supports smaller government, the constitution and the 2nd amendment in particular, and knock on doors for him. It gives you an “excuse” to talk to people and you can find out quickly where each of your neighbors stands. And you might even be able to improve things. Conversely, if you do not have any good candidates to choose from, pick a bad one and knock on doors to find out who is against him and why. Either way it gives you a starting point to find potential allies and to spot the ones who are likely to be a threat in a SHTF situation.
    4. There has been a lot of talk about guns. First of all, a gun will just get you killed if you do not know how to (and are willing to) use it safely and effectively. Get trained!!! Front Sight is an excellent school that also teaches shooting for self defense. There are others. You can rent and train with different firearms until you find one that “fits’ you. Secondly, if you are worried about confiscation have a couple for confiscation purposes. Additional ones can be kept in a couple of secret locations. This also applies to food and other supplies. Don’t keep all of your eggs in one basket. Third: Learn how to hunt, preferably with an experienced hunter who uses camo and blinds. It can provide an additional food source if game is available. Perhaps more importantly it teaches a basic survival skill, how to be invisible in a wilderness setting. (and with a bit of adaptation to an urban setting as well). If you can lie in wait for a deer or turkey to get within range (especially bow range) without spooking them then most humans, with far less keen senses, will not see you either. 4. Both guns and ammo are a good hedge against inflation……. neither is likely to become less expensive and both can be used for barter.
    I am a vet and took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic; so hunkering down and waiting it out is not an option for me.

  3. I’ve been at it slowly but surely for a few years. As most, current administration did not inspire confidence. My lady was skeptical, to say the least. But recently we’ve been binge-watching two cable shows that have ’caused her to look over at me and say “We need xxx, do we have it?” many times. And most of the time I’ve been able to say yes.

    The two shows, Jericho and Revolution. I know they are fiction (and Revolution far fetched at that), but they do bring up a lot of issues. And they are fun to watch also, so you don’t have to bring them up as “educational”, just as entertainment.

    I don’t talk to my neighbors about anything, so sure don’t talk about this. For now stuck in the city in Northern CA SFBay Area.

  4. any idea on helping the
    business owners prepare
    while they are at there place
    of business if the get caught
    while at work when tshtf
    please advise
    king1

    • Survival Diva says:

      King,
      You didn’t mention whether you business is located in a city, or a town, or what your business is pertaining to. In a dense population, it’s likely that looting will begin sooner than it will in a sparse population, but the same principles still apply. Businesses that sell sought after survival-related goods like sporting goods stores and grocers will likely get the brunt of looting.

      Having a go-bag stowed at your business or your car will help get you home safely. Leaving a concentrated population (if, indeed, that’s where your business is located), is optimal. Roadways and highways in dense population are likely to become grid-locked quickly. Each situation is unique to specific circumstances, but generally, getting out of dodge is the best approach.

    • wwwtimmcp says:

      during crystal nacht in Germany several jewish business owner saw the rioters heading their way. one had a great idea, he soaped his windows, put all of his stock in a back room and put a for rent sign in the window. the rioters passed right by his shop.
      during the Rodney king riots in LA the Korean business owners got on their business roofs and fired shots in the air. the rioters wanted easier pickings and left them alone.
      having enough supplies to reach home safely even if you have to walk is a good idea. zero and brammo make electric motorcycles and ebay has conversion kits for bicycles. wait until dark and go off swiftly and silently on your electric steed. some of these can go 95 mph but even 30mph is faster than a running mob. the brammo is a street bike but the zero can go cross country or highway. I intend to electrify my Fuji mountain bike.

      one business has had enough of getting robbed and allows its employees to carry firearms, now if you took that one step further and had an employees evacuation plan, you could have a small army to cover each other while getting home.

      • Survival Diva says:

        wwwtimmcp,

        “during crystal nacht in Germany several jewish business owner saw the rioters heading their way. one had a great idea, he soaped his windows, put all of his stock in a back room and put a for rent sign in the window. the rioters passed right by his shop.”

        What a brilliant solution! Material things are never as important as human life, but the approach the business owner took was a win-win.

    • That depends oh you commute to work.
      By car/truck: easy, have a ‘go bag’ in the trunk/storage box.
      Bus/Train: tougher but doable, a ‘go backpack’
      Packed with the ‘get back home’ supplies.
      Feel free to contact me for further details.

      Steve

    • If your windows are glass have it replaced with polycarbonate. I have seen videos of rioters beating on large display windows with a baseball bat, getting exhausted, and walking away. I plan on incorporating polycarbonate storm windows on all ground level windows on my next home. (current home is not an issue)

  5. Been at it 20+ years when the money was available. In hurricane zone, so always had GoBags. Last Christmas gave my three adult sons filled GoBags and advised them to consider “hurricane” prepping. One took the hint… I’ll keep trying. Don’t feel safe broadcasting my situation to strangers…paranoia from the Cold War nuke war scenarios.

  6. As a single female, I am having trouble finding people in my area who take prepping serious. I am feeling like I am running a race against time with no help other than this website and a couple others I subscribe to. I am afraid to let too many people know, most that do think I’m losing my mind. I really need help. I have a few survival items, fire starters, crank radio and some food. I need other people who feel the way I do, that there is a coming event, I don’t know what it will be, (I live in a major earthquake zone, however I think for some reason, martial law will be first). I live in Tennessee and if anyone is near, that feels the same way I do, please email me. I need support.

    • One of the most important factors in surviving a crisis is perseverance. Each individual needs to keep improving useful skills, becoming knowledgeable about surviving a crisis, and gathering up useful items.

      I am in the group of people who teach people what they need to know. Fewer than ten percent of first responders are personally prepared for a crisis. This is greater than the general population. Most of this is because of normalcy bias. Normalcy bias is the most difficult addiction to break – it keeps one comfortable and secure in a perilous environment. A minuscule number of people will take the first baby step and those that don’t plan to come see me in a crisis. Unfortunately, I will not be available as I have other things that must be done.

      When the ground shakes and the power goes out, your planning is completed and you start on implementation. Until that time do what you need to do and along the way you will find people who share your desire to prepare for survival .
      God help us all.

    • Centurion says:

      Angela,
      I deduce from your post that you are in West TN (earthquake zone). I’m in the North MS area. There are more like-minded people around than you realize.

      However, OPSEC is a HUGE deal around here. With the ‘gimme’, welfare mindset so common in Memphis, and with SO many people there who truly expect the gov’t to take care of them cradle to grave… no one wants to show their cards and become a target.

      Drop me a note and I can point you toward some websites that might help.

    • Hi! I feel same and also live in Tennessee. Being prepared is the same as having an insurance policy. Nobody bats an eye about insurance. Just get a list of items….google “72 hour kit list” or go to FEMA.gov or redcross.org if I remember right. They provide good lists and just keep working on getting your stuff bit by bit. You will eventually get there. Just don’t quit. Keep at it. Its not cheap as a whole but if you get one thing at a time say over a year or two you will get there.

    • You might consider contacting the Oath Keeper Chapter in your area. The main thing we work on is preps and expanding our AOs with other like minded people. We’ve just gone operational across the United States with Civilian Preservation Teams that work in their local areas helping people with their preps, working with local Sheriff offices and strengthening our core units for whatever may come our way. Check them out at Oathkeepers.org

    • duggy duggy says:

      lotta simple things you can do …stock up on canned food…buy a filter straw..cooking can be done on a propane / briquette / wood bbq…. a rocket stove is easy to construct… camping stuff can help … heavier prepping can be done by a single person also…

    • Christopher says:

      Angela,
      Just a word of encouragement…we all suffer all sorts of challenges..it does in some ways seem tougher if your by yourself. I know that by myself I am extremely inefficient and never have enough money,time,equipment etc… All the same I will do what I can as I can. When I get discouraged…I just think of how hard it is for those who have a nonprepper for a partner. At the least we don’t have someone always diluting the efforts we do. Since prepping is never done…who knows what we can accomplish if we get some time. I have sure had zero success in finding suitable others to have a productive community-based prep group. Many have their own various agendas that just don’t work in reality. So I figure when it all goes south…six months later will be much easier to find sincere and rational preppers with which to form community.

    • Regular Guy says:

      I’m in middle Tennessee and you’re not alone there are many people quietly getting prepared for what ever may come. Hope and pray for the best prepare for the worse.

    • My wife and I live on a family farm in SE Kentucky. For me prepping has always been a way of life, though we never called it that. We always raised a big garden and most of our own meat and I learned proper gun handling when I was a kid. For me being able to survive for 3-6 months without stores or help from anybody was not prepping….. it was just common sense. When I lived in Los Angeles my “Earthquake kit” was 32 foot sailboat (being a skilled sailor has its advantages) which I lived on and kept fully stocked for cruising, so the entire Pacific Ocean was “bug out zone”. Now that I am back in Kentucky we have fruit trees, sheep, chickens, ducks, turkeys and will be adding cattle and goats and raising a big garden and doing a lot of canning this year. We live in a rural area surrounded by water on three sides and have some good neighbors (several of which are well armed and skilled hunters). When a tornado went through a couple of years ago we did not wait for FEMA…….. we had 200 volunteers at the local fire department the next morning going out clearing roads, putting tarps over damaged roofs, etc. ; and the local churches opened their doors to victims and we had more donations of food, clothing, etc. than were needed. The point is that most rural folks here have a low opinion of government, tend to be pretty self sufficient anyway, and are used to helping each other out during natural disasters. Kentucky also has some of the laxest gun laws in the country……. I legally openly carry a loaded firearm just about anywhere, except where it is prohibited by the Fed. I know that cities are different. Most people know little or nothing about their neighbors. Why do you think I lived on a sailboat when I was in Los Angeles? And with some fishing and dive gear in the car a spear gun and flare gun were just part of my equipment. We are open in what we do and we work in the political arena and local community to try to stave off, or at least minimize, a collapse. If you live in a city you might consider adding some rural folks to your circle of friends. Take a drive through the country. Talk to a farmer about the weather and ask about his (or her) garden. Be friendly and don’t pretend to know more than you do, but be honestly interested. You might just be able to rent a garden plot, and when you are working your garden you can offer to help with theirs, maybe have a canning party etc. The bonus is that the food will be a lot more nutritious than what you will get from a supermarket. Become friends and if things crash you will probably have a place to go. I certainly would not turn away a friend, especially if they had proven skills. Of course, this is a two way street…….. you also have to let them know that you will be there for them when needed also, e.g. if they have to get in a harvest before a storm hits or some such thing. It has always surprised me, but I have never seen this suggested on any of the Prepping sites that I have visited. There are two things that can get one killed very quickly in a disaster situation: apathy and panic. A degree of fear is a good thing. It urges one to take steps for survival, but too much fear causes one to make poor decisions out of desperation. And remember, any preparation is better than no preparation. You should also acknowledge each step that you take, no matter how small, because you can see that you are making progress. I always keep a knife, flashlight and fire starter on my person. Much of the time I have a mini first aid kit as well. When it is legal to do so I also have a gun. My car always has a survival pack, fire extinguisher, first aid kit and basic rescue gear. Has my life ever depended on any of these? No. But they have made life far more pleasant upon several occasions and possibly saved a life or two.

    • Oregon Prepper says:

      Hi Angela, I had the same issue trying to find like minded preppers. Try “Meetup.com” I found a prepper group in my area of like minded people. About a dozen of us. Give it a try. If there is not a group start one. J

    • Angela, I am a single 71 year old female, living in Western North Carolina. I have had the same problem with finding and building a support group in my own neighborhood. There is a group that I have interacted with in my area that are preppers. But they are all spread out and I have not considered them to be of any practical use in an emergency because I could not possibly get to them. They are spread out over a 10 mile area. I live in a retirement community and my neighbors have their heads stuck in the sand and don’t want to think about the potential things that would elicit prepping. One friend/ neighbor laughs at me and says if TSHTF she will just come to my house. I tell her “Don’t bother since money is (truly) short, I do not actually have much of anything.” Truth is I am doing pretty good, but don’t want her to know. I am afraid she will blow my cover.

      Just put up a little here and there as you can afford to. Walk through the grocery store and explore with no intention to buy that day. Look for foods that would be easy to store, easy to eat and prepare. Buy only foods that you would really like to eat. Then eat the foods you find that are new. Buy more of what you like, and avoid the ones you don’t! Read labels. You would be surprised at the foods that are there that one never sees when buying the usual groceries. Also, I find that the canned goods are starting to leak! It seems that they have cheapened the process of making cans and so I am now looking at dehydrated and dry packaged goods that do not need cooking. I have thought of coating the bottom of the canned goods with polyurethane to help keep them from leaking. I store mostly canned soup. It give a source of water and food at the same time. You can add rice, pasta, beans to add calories and variety, and stretch them.
      If there is no water, and I am unfortunately dependent upon city water, even though in a semi rural community, rehydrating the dried food is a real problem. So collecting rain water would be a solution… if it rains! I have no streams or springs to use within a mile and it is mountainous and so transporting water, which is heavy uphill for a mile is not likely for me. I do have water filters that I got from the jimbakkershow.com that will filter everything including nuclear fallout. They are the only ones with these great all inclusive filters, made by Seychelle. (They do not filter salt water though). I have started to keep my soda bottles, rather than recycling them. I clean them well, and label them for water, and when I get about a dozen of them, I fill them with filtered tap water and add a drop of bleach just in case. The bleach will dissipate in a day or so according to the Clorox customer service people. Then I store them in small boxes, as they get heavy.

      Make short lists for different time categories and list the most basic things you use every day. I found that by doing this, it did not matter how much food or water I stored, if I did not have a supply of my diabetes medicine, Metformin. So that surfaced quickly when I made the lists. It was my most important thing on each list, which I prioritized. I have a year of Metformin stocked so far. Start your food supply with getting through a few days. Then plan variety, as Survival Diva says! And build a another three day supply. Keep building, soon you will have a few months supply. Practice turning off electricity for a day, or water for a day. What do you need? Those are the things to start to build on. How will you cook your food or heat water (will you even have water!) to rehydrate and cook food. etc. “The journey of a great distance, starts with the first step”! One small step after step, an you will be amazed what you can accomplish. Soon your biggest problem will be, “Now, how am I going to store all this!” A happy place to be!

      As for finding others… only time will tell. I think if things got really bad, the men in the neighborhood would quickly begin to work together to get things done, as for the women… a very few as they are old school dependent women. It would more likely be a protection network. How they would all function as a shared prepper survival team remains to be seen, as they would not have supplies needed. How I would hide mine from them is a big problem. Don’t for get food for your pets….

      Just do the best you can, go to the web sites listed and make lists, and just do what you can, and hope for the best. And look to God for support through it all.

  7. I actually approached my sister about teaching a class on emergency food-prep and storage for the women of her church. The idea never took off – we both just got busy with other emergencies in our lives and it got put on the back burner. I have mixed feelings about this – I feel that it should be done for the good of the community, but at the same time am a bit hesitant to open myself up that way. My husband feels it should be this big secret between us & those closest to us and he’s probably right – only time will tell, I guess.

    • Offer a class on canning or dehydrating or any number of other skills. Focus on the skills not on the usage in prepping. If prepping comes up in the discussion then fine. New kitchen or crafting skills are always a fun thing. If your approach is you need to prep or die you will drive people off. The preppers will know the benefits without being told, many others will go along for the ride for the fun.

  8. Fay Uyechi says:

    I only get to this location now and then, but enjoy and learn something each time.
    1. I’m a 75 year old Grandma, with very little money, hence, unable to hop on a MRE storage plan like I’m buying a pair of underpanties. I’ve been able to purchase canned goods, a couple at a time, but usually use them up before have enough money to buy them again. Oh well, will keep trying.
    2. Would love to learn to operate a gun again, was a pretty good shot without preparation as a child, but didn’t know anything about cleaning, loading, etc., etc., etc.! Of course, again, the money will also be an obstacle.
    3. Live in an apartment, that I hate, but again, can’t afford to get that RV that I would like to, but would feel a lot safer if had one. Owned one a couple of years ago, and love it!
    4. And, most importantly, whether I believe in God or not, plays a integral part in all I do. Most folks would say, “hell at 75years of age, who cares, it’s time for you to “go” anyway”! True, but that ol’ thing called “survival of the fittest” comes to mind, and keeps me going!
    Now for the fun part! If/when I mention this to my family, living nearby, they of course want to have me “put away” as being “irrational”! Now, most of you on here KNOW that isn’t so, and am sure you’ve run into the same thing. And, being a woman, and 75, all have there drawbacks as far as joining a fire department. Hey, I’d love working with a bunch of good looking guys! (Just kidding!) Yeah, wouldn’t be a bad idea, if they would/could “teach” me the “tricks of the trade” (survival), first responder, 1st aide worker, driver, whatever it’s going to take, not just for me, but “others” less fortunate. Of course, don’t know too many that have less “moola” right now, but “I will survive”!
    P.S. Have any of you thought about the “ham radios”, digital responders, etc.??
    Grandma Fay

    • Well Grandma Fay, your challenges are not insurmountable. I build my preps by watching the grocery ads in my local paper. When canned goods are on sale, say veggies at 3 for a dollar, one goes in the pantry, 2 go in a box. Dollar stores are great for prep supplies. We have a chain called Dollar Tree that I shop regularly. I buy canned goods and first aid stuff, there. They have 7 oz. bags of coffee for $.99, that’s $.14 an ounce, WAY cheaper than the grocery store! (also a great barter size)
      You can also volunteer at your local LDS pantry if you have one. Help can food and you can buy your own for just the cost of the food! The most important thing is to get started with your preps. Every box that you tape and date will give you a sense of accomplishment and the motivation to continue. Good luck!

    • Just read your comments, Grandmaw Fay. If you want to learn a few things from the local firemen….bake a cake, go to the fire station, ask if they would consider giving you a class now and then. Of course, you have to provide cookies or a cake, firemen will do anything for food. Think about the people you know, I bet there are folks that could teach you many skills. Do you know a nurse, ask her about first aid. And read and study, both on the computer and the library. I haven’t had much lucky with couponing and gave up before the whole process could improve. Now is the time to exercise and be in good health Got a sunny place in your yard, get the grandkids to help you fill some containers and plant some tomatoes and peppers. I am near your age and really started only a year ago. It is one step today and another step tomorrow. Ask your kids, yes the ones who think you are crazy, to give you freeze dried foods for your birthday and such. Tell’em you want to have something extra for the days you don’t feel like cooking or if bad weather hits. My kids hear me talking about a dehydrator…..and gave me one for Christmas. Good Luck

    • wwwtimmcp says:

      putting up preps can be challenging. one of the things I do is get while things are on sale. the local dollar store, aldis, dollar general, big lots and a few others can save you money. their canned goods are usually half of the big chain store prices.

      we have a local flea market and they have items cheap like boxes of cereal for half of the store price just make sure you check the date. canned goods too as well as soap, underarm, dish soap, hot sauce etc.

      those little ramen soups are better than nothing and you can always add vegetables to it. we can tomatos and salsa so I keep a lot of pasta around for a quick easy meal.

      if you have access to a good water supply, get dehydrated food from wise, mountain house, backpackers pantry, etc. it takes up less room and you are less likely to get into it unless you really have to. plus it has a 25 year shelf life.

  9. Atokaite TN says:

    Reviewing some of the aspects of Prepping.
    Stoarage, given a natural disasters destruction will be cause for concern.
    Used or new metal containers with good secure straps seems to be a good viable means of saving perishable goods.
    Travel will be severely constrained due to FEMA and Local chokepoints.
    We WILL Prevail
    Semper FI

  10. Until a few years ago I was single male wilderness survival instructor. Now I am married with a small child. Yes, my survival strategy has changed from cashes all over the place to an off-grid retreat. Along with that came an extension in provisions to multiple years. One thing, however, remains the same. Everyone is either in the circle of trust or outside of it. Everything, including information, is an asset. Anyone who has not entered into a mutual aid agreement is by default a resource to be tapped if only in the event of pending starvation. We have a big map on the wall of our war room with pins noting the locations of every known homesteader, prepper, and survivalist.

    I was shocked how many times I could enter a name and state provided by ‘Loonday Prepper’ into Facebook and pull up someone’s personal page with lots of juicy details. Most of these people are playing the equivalent of fantasy football with no real blood on their hands or experience watching people die violent deaths. There are plenty of opportunities to advocate preparedness anonymously and they expose themselves at their own peril. They have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

  11. Spartacus 2012 says:

    David,

    If anyone actually wants to try community defense I highly recommend a fast read. “Citizen Soldier”, Robert Bradley Copyright 1994 by reliance publications.

  12. I commend these guys for going on national TV. I have gotten some good ideas from some of them and watched a couple and knew what they were doing was not right. One lady was storing her food in just regular containers, not sealed well at all. What I would worry about if I were these people is the government, not regular citizens. Most of them are armed and can defend themselves against most raiding civilians, but the military has some awesome firepower and now they are on big brother’s radar. I think it would be a good idea to connect with preppers from different parts of the country. If your part is hit, you know like minded people in other parts you can flee to. Just a thought.

  13. If a person is interested in learning or obtaining emergency skills , there are Amish communities all over the U.S. They will also sell horse drawn carriages and break horses for you to draw them with. This is their normal way of life.

  14. I’ve just started prep because I’m convinced there is no solution or way out of the hole our elected leaders put us in. My plan is to remain completely stealth while I gather intel and forge some better relationships in my immediate neighborhood. I will only reach out to those close by that I’ve selected as compatible WTSHTF. I am going to work a plan around a team of six and will carefully select the members based on a balance between skill and community. Telegraphing your survival plan to anyone prior to SHTF day can be a serious and fatal flaw and just not worth the downside risk and liability! Although I prefer “lone wolf scenarios”, you need a team to share the load for the long haul which means you have to structure the plan to accommodate the extra members you select. Timing is also critical in the first week because of the fog of anxiety and panic so it is very important how you approach your team since you have not had any time to prepare them in advance of your plan.

  15. I live I hawaii, I dont advertise, what prepping I do , hawaii people dont c it as important to prepare, thinking that it would be easy enough to fish and such, but in certain events runoff would pollute the water and fish but oh well

  16. My wife and I dug out our basement and have running water under a wood floor and the drain pipes run into a blue plastic barrel sunken below where we can dip . It isn’t full but maybe has 40 gallons. I measured the flow before I put in the barrel:about 2-3 GPM in dry times. I used it to flush basement toilet and save $10 on electricty in Jan.

  17. up here in Nampa Idaho, we are prepping low key, thought process is different here a lot of us are somewhat ok for about three months, at least people I know. i would like to be ready for a year , to that end each year we put as much as we can afford away. Iam retird army my son is a marine lives in Boise, we are staying in place here in Nampa, we have good area to hunt and fish and farm nearby. We have weapons ammo and dogs large and small to help ward off some people, this may not be ideal but its what we can do at this time,I believe Idaho may be one of best places to survive in the country. Keep up the good work I learn something every time I come here.

  18. Anonymity is the best security while online. But if you’re using IE or Firefox everything you’ve posted has been recorded, filtered for key words and routed to anything from a specific file to an actual analyst depending upon what you wrote. Chances are if you been bold (or stupid) in what you’ve posted you’re on a watch list or something worse. Figure your audience is much larger than you possibly think.
    If you’re browsing or discussing sensitive topics, I suggest using the Tor browser. (tor project.org) Using it will allow you to surf or discuss with a high degree of anonymity as the browser redirects your IP address through a number of volunteer users who allow their systems to be used to redirect. Yuor IP address with go through a number of different users in a number of different countries. Extremely hard to track.
    What’s the use of Pr3pp1ng when there are agencies that know every aspect of it. Your home will be one of the first they search when it becomes illegal

    • “They” already have me tagged as a terrorist, no point in worrying about it now. And I don’t say that lightly – I really HAVE been tagged as I belong to, or believe in, groups and causes that the gov’t has on their watch list. I had a father and an ex who have security clearances so high you could get nosebleeds (meaning they have a file a foot thick on me by now! LOL!), and a son who’s working his way up. Not to mention I’m highly patriotic (yes folks, that a sign of terrorism according to TPTB), I have been active in the pro-life movement since the early 80’s – and that “associates (me) w/ a movement or group that has planned or has actually committed violent acts”, I’m a member of Oathkeepers, ANY number of religious and right wing political groups (both are also signs) and where I’m not a soldier myself, I have 2 sons who are, w/ one recently “separated” – one of THE highest signs or characteristics of being a terrorist. (Can you believe it?? A soldier!!) The time to hide behind IP addies has looooong gone.

      This is the lovely little flyer that the FBI just put out that makes about 80% of America “terrorists”. It includes “Fundamental Christians”, “recently separated military personnel”, anyone deemed “too patriotic” (Wha???), if you like to use cash instead of plastic, use Google maps to check out ANY place that might be populated by a number of ppl, like a Mall or highways, or you just want to have fun using Google’s “Street Map view” where you see things at ground level. Don’t dare buy dye for your hair or fingernail polish remover, fertilize your lawn, or buy the stuff needed to develop your own film.

      Some of these “signs” are from other places, but it won’t take you long to find the same things I have. We have been tracked for SO long that we weren’t even thinking of terrorism or even survivalism by then. Even Y2K was monitored well before anyone thought to be worried about it! My Dad had been in computers since 1952, he told me that the gov’t kept an eye on who was doing what by the time Darpa started getting used by the public. It WAS a military system from its inception – why would there be a time in-between when “they” WEREN’T watching us? What part of that makes ANY of us “stupid”? I don’t trust my gov’t – a so-called crime right now – so I guess I DO have to fear the authorities, because I HAVE “done something wrong”, but it’s too late now. I’ve got enough going forward that I need to be preparing for, why look backwards to something I can’t change? It’s too late for all of us. And not a single one of us have been “stupid” by holding viewpoints the gov’t doesn’t like. We were guaranteed that right from the conception of our gov’t! (In fact, “citizen-farmers” were the greatest virtue at the time, like Geo. Washington, lauded as a New World Cincinnatus who had held an office for a while and then returned to the life of a gentleman farmer.) Otherwise, if it’s true we are stupid, I’m afraid I can safely say that you fit the same designation, maybe even more so – you, by your own admission, have been using online anonymizers and, specifically, Tor, a system already under such tight surveillance because real terrorists have been caught using it. I’m not trying to be snarky, honestly, but it is a fact via your own admission. Remember how Star Trek (all of them) used so-called “sci-fi” – now science – that eventually came true? (Almost all. Still waiting on those medical things that kept doctors honest…) Watch NCIS now – you think they still can’t trace you thru several points of reference? McGee could have tracked you by the time you finished writing your short note! It’s a hard truth…but still the truth.

    • MI Patriot says:

      Empirical, I use Startpage HTTPS, or IX quick. I also use zeekley and duckduckgo. They don’t store your IP address and they route it all over. These must be similar to your Tor browser. However, anonymous or not, I am of the opinion that if the NSA or the gov’t wants you bad enough, they’re going to find you no matter how below the radar you are. .

  19. What these show boats don’t realize is the US government has “Presidential Executive Orders” passed under President Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Cliton (who know what’s in store from Obama) empowering the govenrment to confiscate any “excess and surplus real and personal property” this means that food, cash, gold coins, firearms, ammo, or anything else not needed by you, can, and will be confiscated. One might argue that it’s unconstitutional, such agument will be moot when a group of National Guardsman have guns pointed at you while the rest strip your house of “excess” supplies, and if you have MRE’s you could go to jail for having stolen government property even if you bought if from a local surplus store. “Keep it low key”

    • Donna Harrison says:

      It is possible this gov’t can make an unconstitutional demand by confiscating our personal property, which is like any thief, but if it wants to take our stored food, best to keep it burried in the woods or well hidden. My grandpa did it to prevent people from taking his stuff, and my grandma did this to prevent grandpa from taking her stuff.

    • Dr. Prepper says:

      If you do not believe Ralph, just go to youtube and type in Katrina gun confiscation……you will have a totally new view of our governments powers and lack of respect for the constitution and our so-called rights….we really don’t have any.
      Dave has already commented on this but if you missed it go to youtube and check it out.

    • It’s been illegal since WWII to “hoard food” and the gov’t has had the right to strip you of it for what? 60 or 70 years now? (Or more for all I know.) But back then, the gov’t appreciated those that were prepared to care for themselves and didn’t need to call on what gov’t services there were, to keep the gov’t free to feed their soldiers and make their weapons. Now the gov’t WILL take your food and that DOES incl. your canned food from your own garden. That’s considered hoarding too.

      What does Obama have in store for us? Have you heard about the “raw milk” places being raided, etc? Well, there are actually laws that say – tho they haven’t been invoked that I know of – that you’ll be prevented from eating your own produce! The homesteaders are already under the fiat of laws that prevent them from selling/giving animals away past their property line w/o a special (and pricey) licenses and having the animals checked 70 ways to heaven and back. I can’t even think enough of the name of the “act” enough to Google it, to tell you, but if you know a homesteader or can find a source talking about that, you’ll see what’s been happening there. Now, I won’t “bet the farm” that it’s in effect now, but you wonder why they have rules, all stored away and quite handy to use, that they DON’T use, I’m sure all of you here can see exactly why.

      But this allows you to see that there ARE rules on the book “they” don’t apply now, but can at any moment that it pleases them to do so. A dang good reason to keep one’s mouth at least hushed if not totally shut. I figured the guns all along, but never in quite the context you put it, Ralph. No doubt even my tent, cots, stove, etc., etc. could be fair game for them, as well. Can anyone say “What the HECK happened to our Third Amendment???” (The billeting of soldiers in a person’s home, but if “they” can strip you of all you need to survive, to give it to the forces in league w/ whatever power structure in in place, is the same thing, in my mind anyway.) You KNOW not every one will be an “Oathkeeper” or of the same mindset, you KNOW folks will run to the power structure for any of several reasons – protection, power, food, safety, stature, whatever. And these vigilantes will have NO qualms about stripping you of what you own, just to keep it for themselves! And that’s not counting the roving bands of n’er-do-wells that would do it as well, no matter why – just because they can. So depressing if I think of it too long… But that’s why so many survival articles tell you that having, and keeping, some kind of faith – be it what it may – is THE most important survival tool we all can possess.

  20. judy bresch says:

    I am LDS and it is part of our belief to be self suficiant with one year supply of food, water, and fuel (where possible) We not only want ot be able to take care of our families but to also share with our neighbors and to not have to rely on scant resources in the community. This spirit of comunication and cooperation brings a sense of safety and security to know that we are prepared and can also help others. We also automatically have an organized network and plan based on cooperation within our own membership as to how to quicklly put our plan in place. Helping our families and others is key.

    • I am asking this most sincerely. I respect your belief of storing for a years supply of food, etc. but here is my question. If you are sharing with your neighbors and now they know that you have food enough, what is stopping them from having their family and friends coming for food, also? When SHTF, those nice neighbors won’t be so nice when they get hungry. How long can you keep your family from starvation and their family and friends, too? This is a legitimate question that I have wondered about.

    • I always thought bugging in was best, but after some careful consideration, I have changed my mind. Some of the comments here are very thought provoking. I think storing all prep stuff from food to water to guns to ammo would be better protected away from the living location, so I think that an undisclosed location that is close enough to access but far enough to not be “found” would make the most sense. When big brother comes, they will find nothing here. That is what will confound them the most. They can go on a wild goose hunt and in the end find my geocache! I think getting away from the close quarters of a subdivision will best serve those who can do it. It is good to have friends in wild places! I am not enough of a stronghold yet to advertise my location and prep materials. I am working on it.

  21. Chad and Beth says:

    My wife and I began making preparations back in 2008 (after all the news broke about AIG, Lehman, Fannie, Freddie etc….and the fall of the housing market). We’ve since relocated to an extremely remote area in the north Georgia mountains. We also began home-schooling our son shortly thereafter as well. After witnessing the debauchery that followed Katrina in NOLA, we decided it best not to share any of our preparation plans with our family and friends. Not that we wont help if and/or when the time comes; we just dont want 50 people showing up at our door at once. Having said that…..

    We now live in an area with abundant natural resources i.e. fish, deer, bears, wild hogs, turkey, numerous plant life etc..my wife and I both grew up in the country. We both are pretty good at cultivating crops and have always done so, even before becoming preppers. We have also always loved fishing so that wont ever be a problem. Unfortunately neither of us grew up in families that hunted. As a result, we’ve spent the last two years learning how to not only hunt wild game, but how to prepare them for consumption. This has proven to be the best decision we’ve made with regard to prepping. Making the necessary preparations is one thing, but having the skills to survive is another. If its one thing we’ve noticed over the last several years, its that fewer and fewer people know how to hunt, fish, process wild game etc…

    So far as OPSEC goes…like I said, we dont share the fact that we are preppers with friends and family. Its not that difficult considering all of our families live in a different state, and our nearest friends are at least 20 miles away. Nor are there any visible signs immediately around our home to indicate that we’re preppers. While Our house is located along a two lane highway, it sits a 600′ off the road and is situated on a ridge above the road. In short, nothing is visible, nor is it accessible from outside our home. We do have a cellar beneath our house which used to have an access point from the outside. We’ve since taken the door off and blocked it up so that it matches the rest of the foundation walls. The cellar is now only accessible from within the house. We’ve considered installing an electronic alarm system but our long term goal is to remove ourselves from the proverbial grid…ie no credit cards, no checking accounts etc…unfortunately the only way to really accomplish this is to pay our mortgage off since thats the only debt we have. Anyway, thats our two cents worth for now. Best of luck to all of you!!

    • Chad and Beth, I think it is a good thing most people don’t know how to hunt and fish. From what I’ve read, wildlife of all kinds become depleted during TSHTF. During the Great Depression, it apparently didn’t take long for fish and wildlife to begin to disappear. So in my mind, the fewer who know how, the better. Where I live in the mountains of Central Utah, wildlife abounds, but so do the hunters and fishermen. When the game is no longer managed, I don’t expect it to last long. Just saying, I won’t be relying on fish and game soon after TSHTF.

  22. I started my prepping in 1965. As a newly married I was living in a cold climate with winter isolation a real possiblity. I learned to grow a garden and can my own food. I learned to store things in a root cellar and always carry survival items in my car and have extra items in my locker at work. Over those few years I used all of my stash on numerous occasions. It was just a part of smart living. As our family grew it became harder yet more necessary to use alternate means for survival. We lived in our car, cooked along the way, lived in various climates, had unemployment issues and always in the back of our minds preparing for rougher times and learning skills to help us get by. We learned to quilt, knit, sew our own clothes, can our food and alter our recipes, camp cook, and create shelter from what was at hand.
    1999 and Y2K gave me another wake up call. This one resulted in a lot of laughter among my friends when it turned out to be a non event. I was glad it was a non event and was able to use all the items I had stored. That was better than some insurance premiums I have paid that are gone forever.
    The kids are grown, those days of survival are behind us and we live comfortably and able to help those less fortunate but always with the knowing that we too could be there again. I store for the weather, for lack of money, for illness and isolation and now for the political scares we get on the news every day. My challenge was to get my children to understand the need for being prepared. They were too little to gain from our early experiences and they are comfortable. So for christmas I gave them each a 30 day supply of food, first aid supplies and cooking utensils for their families. Pretty pricy to say the least. It made the impact I wanted and now they are taking a good look at adding to what was given. They have added to and individualized the things in their inventory. Even my brother who has been a dis believer up until now is now capable of living from his food for a couple of weeks instead of going to the store every day or eating out. I have come to realize that not all will plan in the same way I will but for them to do something to assist in their own survival is a step in the right directions. My adult kids are quitely telling their friends to prepare. I tell no one but the immediate family what we have stored and then only in general terms.
    I have found these prepping shows great to show us other things we can do that we never thought of but I am not a community organizer or letting my neighbors know what I am doing.
    My greatest help is to teach the children I know how-to survival skills at every opportunity. The strength of the youth willl be the salvation of us all. The grandchildren elementary school age have learned to sew and plant a garden, the teens have learned to build shelters, can food, and shoot a gun safely. All have learned first aid to their age level. Even without a major disaster they will be better equiped to survive in any circumstances. We did not forget to teach them to pray, be team players and how to exercise basic leadership. We will continue to live as we always have knowing that things can change at any moment. BE PREPARED. Sharon

  23. Do you have a link for “Preparedness Expo” ?
    Thanks.

  24. I have not gone into depth with the level of prep I have been doing. All I say to those I come in contact with is “wow, the cost of food is skyrocketing! It’s probably a good idea to buy extra”. Something I have started doing is putting up food for others in the way of a few meals. Grocery stores give away or sell cheaply their empty buckets in the bakery department. These buckets are perfect as they are NSF food quality and hold 3 1/2 gallons of product. I get mine from Safeway because they are free. In each bucket I will put a variety of food, such as, canned ham, top ramen, soup, dry bean mix, pop tarts, tea. That would be a dinner bucket. I make breakfast buckets of oatmeal, pankake mix, powdered milk, syrup or molasses, coffee. I try to make a wide variety. This makes me feel like I am doing something to help. It does my heart good.

  25. We tend to be *quiet* about it, but I do engage in discussing the subject of preparing both materially AND spiritually – as in “Got God?” However, I DO want to stay somewhat under the radar, tho I think I’ve said too much on Facebook, but there you are. What’s done is done. “They” will find out for “themselves” anyway. Insert whatever the current FEMA theory, etc., etc. is and whatever is “expected” from “Them/They” during whatever crises you wish to insert here. Oh and by ANY number of recent criteria, I’m already considered a “terrorist”, so no doubt “They” have a file on me 3″ thick!! LOL! Too funny.

    We haven’t got the wherewithal to go all freeze-dried, buckets and #10 cans, but – and because – we thought we’d be homeless by December 2 years ago, (casualties of the Great Meltdown) – we have the physical needs of shelter, sleeping gear, stove, etc., already. We’re just going to have to go “regular store cans” and water and then, once it runs out, trust God for the rest. We’re what you might call “other directed”. We believe in the Rapture and if we’re wrong, we still think God will mind for us. However, we don’t expect ALL of our needs to be seen to by some other Being, trust tho we will. We DO need to at least get thru a few months on our own, suss out the situation, figure out whether we’re going to have to make a stand for our faith, (in which case, our hope is solely on God and we have a right to believe He will supply our needs – faith), and then make our moves from there, from what we hope will be a safe “base”.

    WTSHTF, we’re bugging out to a friend’s farm, knowing we can grow food there, our friend has animals that he grows his own feed for, (and we can trade work for return benefits), clean water (spring) and it’s in known territory in case we need to know sources for this or that – food, equipment, whatever. Also my husband and our friend/his wife, between them all, are related to half the county, and know the other half, to barter and we’re semi-rural too, so that works for all of us, community-wise. (This to me is the perfect place to be.) Also, we’re both physically disabled, so a stable place to – what? Hide? Remain safe? I don’t know what exactly, but I feel safest there. Maybe because it’s an OLD farm, (spring house, root cellar, etc.), w/ friends, w/ options and the vast knowledge that 3 of the four ppl can muster if need be.

    I mostly look for the economic collapse, but The End Times are in our thoughts on a daily basis, being Pentecostal and all, you know. :) I’m the one in our family who gives preparations and arrangements deep thought – it’s just my husband and I. He will deal w/ what happens afterwards, because he’s able to consider situations in a logical manner and extrapolate what might happen as a result of each action we take, or could take. He’s the string to my kite. I “nest”, he “guards”. :)

    • Christine, buying the foods you are buying is great. Any preparation is better than none.
      I have a small amount of dehydrated foods, hardly any freeze dried and quite a bit of wheat, flour, sugar, salt, rice, beans and lots of canned and pkgd. foods. I am sure I have enough to feed the 13 people I am planning for for 5 to 6 months on most things and enough wheat and rice for a year at least. I am continuing to prep and will for awhile.
      As far as the rapture, I believe in it too. But I know Jesus doesn’t return because we have struggles or disasters, He has a plan and it isn’t when an individual needs Him but on His schedule. He tells us to be prepared to take care of ourselves in many places in the Bible and in his parables. God helps those who help themselves. So don’t count on your timeline for His help and His timeline for His return to be the same. God Bless!

      • Oh Shirley, absolutely on God having His own timeline and this might not be IT. Spot on there. That’s why we want to have enough to go until we can grow more, have as safe a place as possible, w/ clean water, animals we can grow and butcher and a cold cellar for keeping foods over the next winter. (Tho an old farm might be a target, what do I know?) And these folks, incl. my husband to a lesser degree, all grew up together and learned all the same skills, w/ variations of course. All farm kids, in a county that is somewhat insular when it comes to the old families vs the Beltway Bedroom Community sorts that also live here. That’s SO comforting!

        Our friends/family all know how to shoot and hunt, (I’m learning), there is ground enough to grow food once the season comes around, so we look to keep food enough for a winter and before the harvest. I hadn’t even thought of this, but their children may “come home” and increase our numbers and all of them have good, country commonsense. Hmmm, that’s a bright thought! :) Heck, *I’D* be the odd one out, not knowing all this kind of stuff! Well, they can teach me and I’m quite willing to weed and water in the meantime and also can, cuz I’m for sure taking my canning pots/utensils and we need to stock up on jars when the season rolls around soon.

        But, as God knows when the variest swallow hits the ground, He will keep us and guide us. Our friends pretty much have the same simple faith. That’s why I said we”d have to suss out the situation and “see if we had to make a stand for our faith.” That’s when TSHTF BIG TIME!! LOL! If we don’t have to make a stand, avoiding the Mark, we’ll look to making “laying low” the way to go until things settle down again, I guess for how ever many years that will take. People hunkered down during the last Depression and then the war and they made it through. All this has at least one good side to it – our kids will know what hard times are and maybe that will be the saving grace of this country and what it takes to grab it back from sinking for good. My parents knew, all too well, so they saved, invested wisely, lived moderate lives and knew what had gotten them thru (whatever their faith or strength), and they were called “our greatest generation”. We’ll at least salvage that much out of it. TPTB may find that this contrived monetary crisis is a 2-edged knife that twists in their hand. Our kids WON’T forget, that’s for sure! But I’m learning so much here and other places that I hope, and pray, that we’ll make it thru, God willin’ ‘n the creek don’t rise! LOL!!

  26. Carol Foster says:

    I’ve been watching the Nat Geo show too. My first thought was “They’ve GOT to be crazy telling people where to find them & what they have!” I have shared info with very few people (99% are family). I would love to hook up with others locally, but (as you stated) how to find them safely has been a problem. My second thought was “What kind of money do these people have that they can AFFORD to prep like that???”
    I do think they show some things I didn’t know, and I am grateful for the information. Seeing the stocked shelves of some, though, made me feel totally inadequate… and I thought I was doing pretty well!!! We haven’t really addressed the water problem as we have a stream nearby, and good (portable) water filters…. but I guess we should stock some.
    I would tell you to include Hickory, NC in the great places to live (and it is) but there are few jobs unless you are into working in retail & convenience stores. Many people like living halfway between here and Charlotte… and work in Charlotte. It’s a good compromise.

    • You mentioned stocking up on water…any ideas on how to find large containers that are BPA free? Thanks

      • Hi Stacy,

        I have found 3 of my 55 gallon water barrels at thrift stores!! No kidding!!
        Check that they are food grade, smell to make sure no chemicals were in them. rinse them out and fill them up.

        When cashier’s or other shoppers ask, just say you are using them as rain barrels. Here in Colorado, we have some counties that still allow rain barrels.

        Good Luck,
        Deanna

  27. Keith,
    If you have to go behind her back, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Most guys on here will admit they have purchased firearms without their spouses knowing. Don’t talk about it just do it. Find a way to bring in the goods when she isn’t around. When she comes across them just tell her , “Oh I bought that stuff a while ago…!” Then If the hollering starts, just walk away, don’t argue.

    • not a good idea if you have kids. kids need to be taught not to play with guns hard to do if your hiding stuft from your wife. also if your wife finds a gun and dont know its yours she might freakout thinking one of the kids put it there leagal stores dont sell to kids without a parant being there. it would be a sign of gang involment most likely drugs.

    • a technique a sales man at cabelas. You have one gun case. When you go to pickup your your additions you take that one case. your significant other will just think you are going to range or buddy’s house to clean or show your weapon

    • butterflyer says:

      You have one gun case. and when you make a new purchase, you take that case with you. that way the spouse can be told you’re going target shooting with your buddies. the old gun case comes home with your new purchased firearm.

  28. Keith,
    Buy a dog or two and divorce the lady.

    • Dr. Prepper says:

      Hahahaha, that’s some funny stuff, I don’t care who you are!
      Problem is she will want half the prep stuff too…can’t win…haha

  29. After reading the other posts, I will devulge some of my “secrets”. I have been preparing for a couple of years (since this administration took office). I have a full basement of bins, filled with food, clothing of all sizes, and gear. We purchased property in a secluded area and will start moving our bins to a storage facility nearby (about 25 miles) until adequate accomodations can be built. I live this stuff day and night. My husband thinks I’m crazy for being so fearful of things that might not ever happen. I say, “It’s better to be prepared for whatever”. If it doesn’t happen, GREAT! If it does, well, then maybe the family will have a chance.

  30. I’m one of the lucky ones, I guess. My brother and myself, along with our families, are all preppers. When we first started we shared info with others to try to awaken their sense of self-preservation. It worked with some, but not most. When we had saved enough to do what we wanted to do, we moved to a different area altogether, in the middle of nowhere. We share an extremely large house on a sizable property, work online, and talk to no one.

  31. David I gave everyone your web sight.I hope you don’t mind?You are going to get alot more trafic.

  32. Phyllisofical says:

    At first, two or three years ago, we shared DVDs, information and preparation strategies with like-minded individuals. Now, we’re quiet. The warnings were given, the teaching was put forth but now it is time to see who took these things seriously. We are continuing to go into more depth with water purification, medical supplies and hardening our home, but with nary a word. Shhhhh…

  33. My wife thinks I am insane trying to prepare for a disaster of any kind! We have literaally had arguments over what I am trying to do and what I am buying! She is making it extremely difficult if not impossible to let me store disater preparedness items in the home such as MREs or even canned goods. How can I overcome this very significant obstacle? I don’t wnat to go behind her back and rent a storage facility because in the event of a disater it may be difficult if not impossible to get to it. Any advice would be appreciated.

    • Phyllisofical says:

      Tell her that it is a husband’s priority to enable provision for the family and she should actually be grateful that you are taking leadership in this realm. Help her to learn to trust your instincts more and, above all, be patient.

    • I think my partner is Insane going on about WTSHTF but to please her I booked onto Davids course and I must say it is very good and has taught me much. Still not convinced about this 20 Dec 2012 thing though.

      • Adam, forget 12/21/2012….. What about job loss or natural disaster such as all the ones that have happened around the country such as tornadoes, hurricanes, drought, fires, etc.
        I have been through the job loss for 2 years and lived on our Y2K supplies so I can tell you how much it helped us and my son’s family when they were out of work for months.
        I guess we should have just gone and gotten food stamps but I can tell you that it is a whole different ball game to be able to depend on yourself. It gives you a sense of dignity, self sufficiency and calm to be able to open your pantry and pull the foods out and cook them without having to go begging to the government whether local, or state, or federal for help. My husband had a Navy retirement coming in to pay the rent and utilities and we lived frugally but we survived with our pride intact and never went without a meal. Prepare for the ordinary problems that may come in life and don’t worry about the “Disasters” that you don’t believe in and you will at least be better off than 95% of the country when a little “d” disaster comes your way. And do it because you love your wife

    • This is a delicate subject. We men need to remember that in their heart of hearts women need and want to feel secure, emotionally, physically and spiritually. Discussions of preparedness need to be done carefully and gently as they can trigger the opposite reaction to why we want to prepare in the first place (i.e. you don’t want to trade future physical security by reducing your wife’s current emotional security). I found out the hard way about this with my wife. What I recommend is that you only discuss preparations as though they are for short-to-medium term events that are the most likely to happen. I spoke at length with my wife about what happened in New Orleans (i.e. civil to chaos/anarchy in a few days). The reality is that if you’re prepared for a few days to a few months, you’re well on the way to longer term things. Once I had my wife convinced of ‘short term’ preparedness (and we did it), it was easier to later expand a bit to things like seed banks. We’re now looking at purchasing land in a nearby fertile valley, and we are reading books on subsistence farming (inconceivable just a year ago). We also have firearms now which she was afraid of at first. In fact, she is taking firearms training herself this very week. Once she saw how much fun our sons and I were having target shooting, she now wants her own license too. So, in short – be gentle and start with the small things.

    • From a womans point of view. Tell your wife that anything can happen. I am not sure what part of the country you live in, but here are a few examples of things you can tell her you are preparing for.
      1) what if you lost your job and having extra food on hand would help spread out unemployment check as you would not have to use that money to buy food.
      2)what if you were to get hurt and could not work for several months. Having extra supplies in now would help in the event you had no money coming in.
      3)what if you were to be with out electric for a while due to ice storms or heavy snows and not able to get to the store? again the extra food now would be an expense you would not have to worry about.
      4) unexpected car repairs or other expenses would limit how much you could afford to buy at the store as you now have to get car parts or a newer car. If the food was on hand you would have the extra money for the unexpected.
      5) unseen medical bills or hospital stays can wipe a family out money wise. if the food was in the house at least you could eat.
      6)food prices are going up all the time. It would be cheaper to get extra now while you can still afford the things you like to eat.
      It is like buying car insurance or homeowners insurance but instead it is food insurance. Hope you never need it but nice to know you have it and can live off what you have stored until you are back on your feet againl

    • All you have to do is put food on shelfs out of her way.

  34. Great posts all. To Craig and Sharon Bradford. First of all thank you for your exceptional service to America. If the ‘chosen one’ is reelected we will all be living off of our preparations.
    Park County, Colorado might be a good place to start. It is one of the biggest if not the biggest county in Colorado. If I remember right I think there are only a Iittle over 8,000 people in the whole county. I travel thru it quite often. It is totally in the mountains. If you have a computer, use ixquick, much safer and private than google and check it out.
    Good luck and God Bless

  35. I am a single 60+ female who is going it alone. I live in and manage an RV park. I chose to move from the west coast to the middle of the country where I hoped I could get away from chemtrails, military presence and crazies. WRONG. . I’m closer to a military base than I care to be, the chemtrails are worse here than where I used to live and the bible belt is the craziest place yet! I chose the area but actual location was a last resort and a very pretty spot which opened up at the right moment, so I’m not griping at all!

    I choose to prepare alone. I stock what I can. When it comes time to get a gun and ammo it will be done without registration (that’s just putting yourself on a list so that FEMA can come and take the gun away). I make a ton of stuff to use for bartering and I teach. I also have a lot to learn and am open to whatever info or strategy others have to offer. I listen to the ideas of the people around me and approach those whom I feel comfortable with about forming a small community of survival oriented families. My goal is to have all manner of skill sets and levels in the community so that it could be independent. Where I’m at has land area, a river (totally polluted from a local electric company) and a decent well. With hard work it could produce everything we need, however, the owners aren’t actively doing anything and aren’t saving the funds necessary to do what needs to be done. I am beginning to scout around for other areas like the Ozark Mtns and another place up in Washington state that seems promising, etc. No one should feel like they are pinned down until the TSA finally close the state borders to through traffic . . . don’t think that’s coming? Just you wait.

    • Hipockets says:

      Hey Melohawk, Montana,where I live (little town America) and Idaho,Wyoming and Utah have a lot of beautiful country and many like minded people’You know,’the “Old fashioned” Commonsense type that help people and beleive in Live and letting live. I don’t know preppers in my area,but sure they’re out there.I just don’t go around advertising the issue’ Good luck’

    • Rory fredricks says:

      Hi Melohawk, I live in the Ozark Mtns, if you are interested in talking about it drop me a line.

  36. David,
    There’s a fourth reason which perhaps you have considered. This reason comes from the perspective of the PTB. If I was in such a position, I would know that there are going to be those are on to us, and are getting prepared for what we’re going to unleash on the people as we roll out our police state tyranny. It goes along the lines of co-opting from within. We give them the ideas of what food to buy, what guns to buy, where to secure them, etc. so that later during house to house search & seizure, we know exactly where to look when confiscating their preparedness material (which we have made it illegal to possess) and then those would be hauled away to FEMA dungeons for their “just punishments”. Thus the PTB will twist what may have started out as a good thing into a trap for the unwitting who were credulous enough to trust them. It’s been my view to not get involved in an openly public way. We have a saying that goes, “The nail that sticks up is the one that gets hammered down.” That’s what will happen to those who turn this into a celebratory public event.

  37. I am a suburban hidden prepper. It would be nice to have a farm in the mountains to run to, but sans winning the lottery, that’s not in the cards. I have cultivated a few of the neighbors to one extent or another, receiving, at least, mutual-assistance agreements. Some are more “on board” than others, but that’s ok. We are still a bit shy even with one another about disclosing all we have or plan. Sharing ideas helps a lot, though. And we may go in for some purchases together, like building a shared hen house. An easy way to approach a new person is to start out with “what do you think of the economy and the future we can expect.” The answer you get will give some hints on how/if to proceed.

  38. I think it`s best to keep preparation quiet amongst a small group for 2 main reasons, first is unpredictable neighbors, 2nd is the NDAA . According to this unbelievable, fascist act of treason, a terrorist is now, among other things, anyone who has more than 7 days of food, guns, ammo, etc.. Basically, anyone who is prepping. If you take pictures or write something down in public, have missing fingers or use cash you are a potential terrorist. In my opinion, the city is the absolute worst place to be.

  39. Reading some of the posts.
    Sewage disposal seems to be ommitted.
    A simple bucket, and a back yard pit will suffice. Lime added daily will keep the bio clean.
    NO lime?, Cover with dirt from the pit.
    Essential , water to clean with, disposal of gray water is also a bio hazard. These aspects are basic, but need to be thought out ahead of time.
    Evac vs Stay for Old Geezers is the most important early on consideration.
    Semper Fi

  40. 77 years young, active, preparing, planning for a disasterous 2013 and beyond.
    Note: Map your evac plan early. Google maps show water crossing obstacles.
    Note: Seismic disasters change landscapes, plan accordingly as possible.
    Note: Travel will be filled with obstacles, human and physical.
    We Will Prevail.
    Semper Fi

  41. I’ve been “dinkin’ aroun’ with you guys for a year or so. My personal problems are difficult to overcome. 1st: I’m in my nineties and ready to “leave” but wish to look out for my descendants. They are “cool” to survival planning. I am in a “Faith” that seem to think that the number one goal is to “save” everyone that “isn’t”. Your messages are terrific in providing questions and answers, AND, to further a search for the right thing to do for “self” and my families nearby. I’ve began by a “first round” with a Church Elder. I’ll continue to attempt a resolution for “self” and cooperative family members. I’ll probably be too late for all of us. There is a certain amount of comfort in knowing that One is but “seconds” away “from it all”.

  42. I’m a 67 yr old single woman living in a trailer park ,with no way to plant a garden. There is not room and the owner of the park would not allow anyway. I live 4 miles from town so I’m scared to death. I’ve thought about getting a small motor home in case tshtf, but it has been pointed out that there may be no gas available and even if there is it would be very expensive. Also a motorhome may be likely to be carjacked. I need a gun but dont know what to buy. I’ve been getting some food but dont have much room especially for other larger items such as water. I have a propane heater, a camp stove and a few things but not much more room. Any suggestions?

    • Dr. Prepper says:

      Sylvia,
      Congrats on at least being aware and knowing you need to do something! As far as the gun, I would contact your nearest gun store/shooting range and inquire about lessons or a “ladies night”. They usually have professioal instructors and you can TRY many different guns to find one your comfortable with and like. I would not buy one just because somebody said they liked a particular gun or it’s what they use.
      Does your trailer have underpinning? You could store huge amounts of supplies under your house….just do it at night so your neighbors don’t see[spy]. You could also cut an access panel somwhere in your home to underneath the floor, that you use if intruders broke in, or to lay low if needed, or to stock your supplies without prying eyes. Also as an escape route if neccessary.
      If I knew more about your health I could make other suggestions. If you are in good health and could hold your own you have lots of options. If not, you still have lots of options, just different.
      Well, good luck!
      Any other posters got any more ideas?????

    • Hipockets says:

      Sylvia’ Do you live in a Mobile or a pull camper? I have a pull camper in my yard
      that I have stocked with everything I’d need to survive except food'(It would freeze during the winter’) I put some in come spring,but not all. If need be,I can hook the camper up and be gone in a matter of minutes with all my supplies’
      That eliminates running around trying to grab things in a short time frame’
      I have seen articles about growing some food items in pots indoors,don’t know
      much about it,but sure there’s info out there.You’d be surprised where you can store stuff,under beds,behind furniture etc. As far as buying a gun,you need a friend (not neccesarily a man,they’ve never taught me anything useful’) that knows guns and can teach you the basics of shooting,safety,cleaning it and find
      a place to practice so you’re comfortable with it’ Good Luck’

  43. good advise here and thanks. we are trying to get out of here asap but it’s taking alittle
    longer than we.
    take care all and GB.

  44. David,
    I am an under the radar kind of thinker, but since you brought it up, I’m beginning to think there is a great benefit to others prepping around me. These others that are now prepared, and will most likely not become needy too soon, therefore, no need to fear these people infiltrating my space and taking my stuff or harming family since they have their own ability to survive, at least in the short term.

    M

  45. Kerry Grisham says:

    Hello. I had a comment about the 4th NG Preppers show. The gentlemen in that show was out of town alot (because of his job-salesman) and this could potentially put himself & his family at risk in the event of a diaster. He is now looking for another job that keeps him close to home.
    I too am struggling with a similar situation. As a successful mechanical designer for the same company for the last 25 years my job has morphed into one that is 30%+ traveling to facilities—5 hours or more travel. Some of these travels include Torreon,MX—Yikes!
    I really enjoy my work but I feel that I need to be closer to home during these unstable days that we are living in. Any wise suggestions/replies would be appreciated.

  46. My personal choice is to stay home. I realize this could be impossible if it turns apocolyptic. I have an invitation to park my bugout trailer on some private property with a well but that may or may not work because of personalities. I also have four prospective campsites way out there where I know water is in abundance and I have filters. Out there, a lone survivor will stay alive only as long as you aren’t discovered. This is why I hope to organize fellow preppers to come with me. One of the sites is hidden from casual view and super defendable from zombies with a huge kill zone. Of course it’s easily findable from the air if the criminal wins another term and the military backs him. So far, it looks as though the generals wil back him as they are not keeping their oath to protect the constitution. They need hanging with the other criminals…………..Overdog

  47. Tom, it’s an excellent idea to join the local fire department. When I moved to my present location 6 years ago, that is exactly what I did. I found most on the department thought alot like I do, and these (not all) are a large part of my prepping plans. Not only did I make good friends, but I really enjoy firefighting, and the money while fighting federal and state fires doesn’t hurt either. Marty

  48. David, I’m realist enough to know it would be impossible for my family to go it alone. There is no way for us to defend our home by ourselves. We live in a 2600 acre sub-division of mostly 5 acre lots with a National Forrest very close by. Our lot is heavily treed and fully fenced and cross fenced. There could be a buggy-man behind any tree w/o us knowing about. Our dogs let us know if something is not right, but they also let us know (too often) when an occasional hiker or vehicle goes by. We can’t possibly investigate whenever the dogs are barking, which obviously puts us behind the 8 ball. I’m not sure how to handle that.

    Our goal is to move to our 25 acre fully fenced parcel with few trees and the ability to grow most every thing we need, in a neighboring state. All we are waiting for is the housing market to end it’s decline. My original point is we have to rely on close friends we trust and with these, we share our prepping plans. We know we have to band together in order to survive. I believe we are safer here in the mountains then those in the city, but we don’t believe anyone can survive any kind of social collaspe alone. You just have to share with those you trust.

  49. I maintain a low profile for my preperations. I think it is wise to be cautious, as you have stated several times, about how much supplies one has stocked. However, it could be beneficial to develope contacts with local preppers to exchange ideas, techniques, and equipement reviews. This could also educate more of the public why and how to prep. I can speak with friends and new aquaintances gradually about camping and move the conversation to prepping easily. So far I’ve found a few people who have gone only as far as preparing a bug out bag. I look foward to your next article!

  50. Thanks again, David, and especially to the other commentors- your thoughts are truly appreciated.

  51. I enjoyed your newsletter about the Doomsday Preppers show. I am happy these people have chosen to describe their preparedness. I am learning many things. I was especially enthralled with the married couple that is preparing extensively with food, gourmet cooking, self defense and is training others to be prepared with self defense and creating a community were many are involved. I think in time those shown on the show will be forgotten when the Doomsday Prepper show goes off the air.

  52. Its helpful to read everyones comments because you can add many new ideas to your own.
    Some of the things I have done in order to prepare for any long term emergencies besides storing the usual buffer supplies of food and water are as follows
    bought a Forgen 500NT vertical axis marine wind turbine because its more robust than the horizontal ones with propellors.It can handle wind bursts of 200kph
    bought some solar pannels
    bought 3 12vdc deepcharge batteries and wired them in parallel
    bought plenty of AA and AAA 1.5 vdc batteries
    then I put a redundant 12vdc wiring circuit around my home connected to 12vdc LED strip lights in each room.So in the event of any long term power failures I can switch over to my back up lighting system easily or I can use an inverter to charge up my AA or AAA batteries.
    These will then power up any small household appliances like radios and torches.

  53. I came to your program after the Lord put it in my heart to prepare-much in the way He told Joesph(in the bible). After doing some research, and getting confirmation everywhere I turned about something going down in the near future, I found your site on GBTV. I of course have told all my friends and Pastor and am letting them know what I am doing to prepare. I have encouraged them to go to your site, cuz each family has different situations. Im preparing for a short interval, 40d/40n. If I had the money I probably would move out to the country where I could have well water and a self sufficient home-but that is not the case. So I am doing as much as I can. I do feel that God will take care of us in the long run, but he also helps those whom help themselves. I have not said anything to neighbors-dont know any of them and I dont want a panic at my door. I will do what ever the Lord leads me to do! Blessings~

  54. I am very interested in the series as it gives me, as an indiidual, a general idea as to what many – many others, braver than I to try to get others to prepair. With a potential of 25% of the population (as given on the show) that have no reserves of any type, it should be a wake up call to all. We can all learn something from them, even if some of the folks are not very practical in some ways. Personally, I am not confortable with so much information about each individual PREPPER. MEDIA scares me, as you do not know just who may be putting a cross hair on you or your family. In a local area, recently a big mouth made a broad statement in a reasonabley public place tha t “He was not stocking anything up, but planned to visit those that were doing so – Indicating He would do what ever he had to do to make or take it off of those that had food or supplies.” To me, he is one of the first ones that needs to GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, and both others and my self need to anticipate his intent and prepair for those like him as I do not believe yoiu can change that mind set. One that is seeking a like minded associate in this “Survive in Place”, certainly needs to closely evaluate
    that person or group, as under the pressure of disaster, friends can become a serious hazard to your family and you. Take Care, the life you save may be yours or family members!

  55. My perspective come from a different angle. Me and my partner live in England, just on the outskirts of London. This may sound a bit crazy but my partner is a professional TV psychic. She has told me that when (not if) disaster comes , we will need to be high up as it will involve a lot of flooding. Faced with this prospect we are looking to move to a small community or village not too far from London. Firstly, we need to be near London for work and we think that moving into a very rural farming community would take us years to be integrated and trusted. There are many small villages with a good community spirit and no very low socio economic neighbourhoods nearby. People in these areas tend to be self reliant and have law abidng morals.
    One reason we won’t be too open about our prepping plans is that we are gun owners with an extensive collection of (legal) firearms. It is not the norm in the UK to have a firearm (unless you are one of the many criminals with a firearm) so we would rather keep that ace up our sleeves. Though there are quiet a few rifle owning sportsman here.
    One thing that does confuse preppers in the UK, is that prepping and survivalism seems to be very mixed up in politics there. it is not like that here. Having said that, I’m standing for local council. I figure the best chance I have of getting my community organised is by providing an example and co-ordinating those with a good survivalist instinct and self reliance.

  56. George in Denver says:

    I’ve been following your blog for about 5-6 months, and keeping a low profile. I like
    what I read, and have mixed fealings about staying instead of “getting out of Dodge.”
    I grew up around Mormans, so I’m not uncomfortable with stocking food. Fact is, I
    always thought it was stupid NOT to have a few weeks of “consumables” on hand.
    Same goes for self-defense.
    Still, watching the idiots inside the Beltway doing everything in their power to destroy
    our land has me thinking I might want to get away from the toxic little trolls. My only
    problem with that is how to transport all my “stuff” to another country. So, I’m trying
    to work it both ways. Any advice?

    • Good to know that there are others in the Denver Area taking steps to not need the government FEMA camps!!

  57. For a reliable source of organic food, look into “aquaponics”. Indoor growing (no weather or bug issues) in 1/10th the space that grows in 1/2 the time. Big in Australia, look up “Murray Hallum aquaponics” on youtube. Nobody can steal your crop if they don’t know it is there! Use Lexan panels on the roof of a garage or pole shed for sunlight, fish poo for feeding nutrients to the plants, bugs to feed the fish, scraps to feed the bugs. Closed system. Look into “Black Soldier Flies” for fish food.

    • A year ago aquaponics caught my attention. What concerned me was hundreds of square feet of water proof ‘trays’, electricity to recirculate during power outage and how much fish food to stockpile. So decided to spend effort in relearning standard earth gardening that I grew up with, despite my small suburban back yard.
      Have you actually suceeded with this?

  58. Marsha Smiith says:

    This entry is geared for the folks just starting out on the prepping road. If you can only afford one weapon, a shotgun is an excellent choice. I’m sure there are others on this sight who will agree and suggest the variety of ammo (especially in 12 gauge) that are available, which will make your shotgun a truly versatile tool. Cheaper than dirt even sells, 12 gauge ammo for snakes, and ammo for busting doors off hinges. This could happen to be handy to have after an earthquake and foundations have shifted. Someone on the other side of the door needs help, could be faster than an axe.
    Another good weapon to have is a 22 rifle. Many good reasons to have one available.

    • Dr. Prepper says:

      Marsha,
      Excellent ideas! A shotgun is one of the most versatile weapons available and ammo is widely available. They are readily available and therfore inexpensive to aquire. If one is just starting this is an excellent first gun. cheaperthandirt.com is an excellent source for preppers…anyone reading this…. check it out. They also sell shells with rock salt in them if you do not want to kill the person, but want them to remember not to come snooping around anymore……OUCH !! [shades of “Kill Bill”]

  59. Think of the things you will want after things get bad: Plywood for broken windows, ways to catch, store and purify rain water, keep a stock of rice handy (100-300 lbs) and a way to cook it without your current municiple heat, warm clothes and sleeping bags, LED flashlights and solar battery charger (Coleman makes an AWESOME flashlight for about $25 at Walmart, throws a HUGE light, change batteries once a year for me), things to trade (water purification systems, food, plywood,…), ways to “harden” your home to make it less desirable to break into (razor wire, signs,) traps for critters for food, raise rabbits, chickens,…

  60. If you live in a major metropolitan area you need to do a lot of planning, that would include leaving as early as possible. I live about two hours drive from Houston wen Hurricane Rita hit the roads were all plugged so bad that you couldn’t effectively move other than on foot. there were people who had exhausted their gasoline just idling on the interstate out of town. our gasoline supply was completey exhausted, as were food stuff at the local supermarket all purchased by refugees. If you are planning on leaving town you better be ready to go as soon as possible,

    • Evac planning is essential.
      GPS mapping may well be inoperative.
      Rand Mcnally maps still are available. Back roads vs Interstate work for evac from cities
      Beware of water crossings. Bridges shown may be blocked of down.
      Radius of evac is dependent on fuel , on board and available.
      Semper Fi

      • Tenn, something to think about. I live in a small rural community. Such communities will probably be even less likely to allow outsiders to traverse thru their towns. I originally thought I would bypass the major highways to GOOD. Used Mapsource and mapped my way out. Had it all figured out and put all the turns and roads as waypoints. Then I looked at all the small towns I would be going thru. I keep the plan, but the more I thought of it, the less I liked it. I wish I had the answer, but I don’t. I don’t think they would let me thru. If I were them, I probably would think ‘these people just wants to come an get what resources we have’. Maybe the major routes would be best? I just don’t know. Anybody have an answer to this? Marty

  61. Donna Harrison says:

    Cyclone B

    If there is no gas or diesel available, like in the Carter years–remember that? Or propane is not around for propane vehicles, I studied ways of transportation…..

    If you get a solar power system say 16oo watts, you can charge batteries for a golf cart (to go to town if close)

    Or you can charge your battery(s) for your electric Bicycle with a basket which will take you to town 15 miles on one battery and when the juice runs out, pedal to the metal !…..with or without battery, a bike does well.

    Or if you have med-large dogs or draft animals, use a cart or sled (in winter) I used my dogs for transportation many years ago, and so did pioneers use draft animals. I made a cart out of a baby buggy that my dogs pulled for miles when keeping them in shape for dog sledding. season. For draft animals, a surry can be made out of wood and bicycle wheels and axle.. probably find them in horse and buggy supplies on the internet if you want one already bought.

    Some people forget that transportation in the early days was through river systems by boat. Some paddled, some poled, some used steam engines run on charcoal, and some used sails. No gas involved and they got places!

    • Dr. Prepper says:

      I like how you think!

    • My earliest memories include the Carter years, with all those cars lined up to the gas stations. I guess I did not mention that we have horses :), thus my leaning in the direction of buggys with them in mind. Every time I see those big bodies, I can’t help but think how much work they can do. Mother Nature has provided so well for them, they can live off the land, any time of year for the most part. I have this feeling that WTSHTF we will livekely revert back to that time where everyone rode a horse. Needless to say, I feel those will be the ones who have those skills now that will adjust in an easier fashion. I agree bicycles are important as well, people forget the Japanese pedaled through the jungle side of Singapore (thus avoiding extensive waterfront fortifications) on bicycles.

      • Hipockets says:

        I’ve always thought it would come to using horses when the SCD,Don’t have horses anymore (can’t afford the feed’) but kept my favorite saddle and tack,so guess I’d end up “Borrowing” one from a nearby pasture,just hope it’s broke’

  62. I’ve been doing this for many years,most people thought that that I was crazy for trying to look out for my family in case of unforseen crisis. I decided to keep a low profile due to that imput. A new marriage put grown children in my life and they laugh at me and say that they will just come to my home in case of problems. OK now I have 9 people to prepare for.
    Marriage to an ultraconsertivehunterfisher type is so different this time. He has come to my view lately, and is willing to stock the pantry as a hedge to inflation. We are over 60 so going away from home is not really the answer. We do a lot of travel, so I really want to have the car ready,in case we arn’t home.
    Do you have any advice for more preparation?

  63. I have been looking for years. I like the spot we picked. It’s in the woods, but close to a small city (14 miles). It,s also near a large lake,but not on the lake.Stores 2 mi les away for molinist everything we need, as well as two medical clinics.
    Love all your tips. God Bless Another Dave

  64. A few of us have been toying with the idea but then I remind them how the HOA (home owner association) and most of the neighborhood does not even agree on those simple matters and the attitiudes of some those folks. Makes everyone think…but many advantages of a group close by…

    • Dr. Prepper says:

      Rick,
      Your so right. Our HOA can’t agree on ANYTHING!! And sure, the majority rules and they go with that. But I am not at all sure that during a crisis and under duress that the crowd would follow? People with guns, that do not like the vote, will do what they want to do and chaos will ensue. So even though it means the lone wolf scenario for me, I think I will keep my mouth shut.

  65. Craig Bradford says:

    David,

    I look forward to your next edition. Having first acquired two graduate degrees, my professional life effectively began as an Air Commando in Southeast Asia. Today, I am a retired, somewhat disabled senior diplomat having served in Egypt, the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Air Force, and also a corporate and government executive who served 34 years in a combination of associated activities, not the least of which were the accumulation of close to 5,000 flying hours in fighter aircraft and almost 17 years in our latest (and only) productive exploits in counter-terrorism. I participated in the creation of the Joint Special Operations Command and then helped to develop the very effective “terminal control operator” capability with the 1724th Special Tactics Squadron. If you have been involved in that world, then you have a good feel for my past. You also might appreciate that my wife and I have been high on the takfiri “hit list” for many years, mainly due to my specialization as a war-planning strategist and specialist in Southwest Asia, and our association with President Mubarak. Coincidentally I am a Mormon who diligently has followed counsel from church leaders over the years with regard to building a year’s supply of food and other commodities to deal with unwanted developments. I now have a mostly grown family, and hope to live a different lifestyle. My family is comprised of humble young men and women who have their own lives and issues to deal with, bless their hearts. None of us hold our noses higher than other Americans in any respect. All of us are philosophically committed to the U.S. Constitution as being an ABSOLUTE document, not a RELATIVE basis for rules of law, and all of us regardless of age will honor the oaths we took to “… defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic….” However, the career paths of my children are confidential and similar to mine. I don’t want to have to look over my shoulder anymore. When my children have finished what they believe they are obliged to do for their country, I wish the same for them. My wife and I possess concealed carry permits, yet we do not want to have to brandish our weapons to protect ourselves, our family, and anyone nearby who might have been presented with a serious threat.

    We live in California’s Del Norte County, which is an especially attractive sanctuary for many of the 38,000 felons who were recently released from our state prisons. Our sheriff only can put two patrol cars on the streets per shift in this geographically huge county, mainly because the Socialist elected officials here would rather spend the public’s money on environmental causes, visitors’ centers, homes for abandoned cats, and theater/arts exhibits. The Crescent City Police Chief can put one patrol car into play, unless an emergency occurs that would draw CHP officers and rangers from the parks.

    I preside over a community services district in this county, which is about the same as the elected mayor of a township with all of the rights, powers, and authority of an incorporated city. All of our residents and business owners are completely unprotected. While this area used to be one of the most peaceful in California, a growing majority of Democratic (Fabian Socialist movement) control throughout the state has robbed us of our many basic freedoms, generated a great deal of fear, and pretty much driven the ways we prospered only a decade ago into chaos today. The California Legislature is currently drafting a long list of anti-gun bills and legislation that would enable any law-enforcement officer to forcefully enter a home without a search warrant. As long-time residents pack up and leave California to escape the vagaries of Socialism, lost public budgets, bad business, and the consequences of zeroed law-enforcement payrolls, it nonetheless has become quite startling to see how many are willing to walk away from underwater mortgages and all they have treasured for generations. Living among the Redwoods must be close to what Adam and Eve experienced in the Garden of Eden. I am somewhat crippled as the result of Agent Orange and combat injuries that have grown more disabling. Yet, this old man (68) has been forced to brandish my sidearm on three occasions over the past four months. I can’t break an intruder’s neck or disable a robber’s grip like I used to, so my wife and I must rely upon our sidearms when we are mobile and shotguns/rifles when we are at home. This is ridiculous.

    We have given up on California. All one hears is, “We know where the Mormons live, and we’ll go after their stuff when things get worse. If they try to stop us, we’ll kill them.” The waning work force and dying economy, the aforementioned onslaught of prematurely released felons from our prison system, home invasions, thefts of all that is not nailed down, a plethora of corrupt politicians, over-regulated public services and commercial enterprises, and panicked neighbors is not the kind of place where my wife and I envisioned living out our remaining years. Please consider what I’ve written here and recommend a place in the West where we might find a small community with good weather, people who pull together in tough times instead of plotting to steal each others’ goods, and a small town that is within 30 miles from quality medical services. A “beautiful place in the mountains of Zion” would catch our attention.

    We appreciate what you are doing and salute you for it.

    Craig and Sharon Bradford
    Hiouchi, CA 95531

    • Craig and Sharon. First and formost, thank you both for your service to our country. Yes, Craig, and Sharon! Sharon for your support of Craig during those trying times, and Craig for what you sacraficed for us. I can understand your heartache. Until the Socialists took control of the once beautiful State long long ago, California is a state I would have been proud to spend my life. I left the state after being born there, and after 31 years in law enforcement, for the same reasons you are having the heartaches now. But I’m not a bit sorry I left, only sorry I had to leave. I’m not LDS, but thought Utah was the place for us to retire to. Unfortunately, for us, that was not the case. We made a mistake moving to Utah mainly due to our young daughter. We have decided Western Idaho is our ultimate goal, and after much research, there is where we will be. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best, and God send for your ultimate decision.

    • Areas north and west of Baker City Ore such as Haines or Grand Junction. Also Etna isn’t too far south of you and already has a plan by some residents to protect itself.

    • Hipockets says:

      Hey Craig’ “Get the Hell out of Dodge” I left S. Calif. 46 yrs ago and never looked back. It was getting bizzare then,can imagine now. I currently live in N.W. Mt. at the foot of the Rockies. Little town America. I have lived many places in the west and I finally found a place I will never leave. We’re still civilized here and neighbors help neighbors.We have good Medical care,but have to drive 1 1/2 hrs. to do major shopping. If you want more info,e-mail me’ Good Luck’
      mthighpockets@yahoo.com

    • Craig,
      Consider Utah. Strong LDS culture, relatively good economy, reasonable cost of living, generally mild climate, nice lifestyle and great hunting, fishing & recreation. We moved near SLC about 5 years ago, and like it a lot.

  66. daughteroftexas says:

    My husband and I have made major changes in the last year to prepare. We sold a new house in a small city, that we had only been in for 4 years and bought a house on 2 acres in what is considered a “bedroom community” about 10 miles away in the surrounding country. We really didn’t want to move any further out because of family who live nearby, but we at least got into a much less populated area. It was one of those things that kind of dropped in our laps and we jumped at it. My husband is getting ready to retire next year and because of that it we felt it would just be better to prepare and learn to be self-sufficient as much as possible. Before we moved we had been preparing informally any way we were able. We stocks canned goods and that was about it. Since we have moved we have pretty much cashed out my husband’s 401k and bought have been trying to prepare for what we need for when TSHTF. We are trying to prepare for our daughter and son-in-law, too, who think we are pretty much crazy. We have been trying to learn as many new skills as possible in case they are needed. The garden is in, the starts are going, we are increasing my flock of chickens, we’ve put fruit trees in, extra water tanks, I’ve dehydrated fruits and vegetables over the summer, have a sourdough starter going at all times, I’ve learn to grind my own wheat and process chickens we’ve raised. We have a greenhouse erected, bought as much dehydrated and freeze-dried food as possible, and stocked extra ammo and continue to stock as much water as possible. We are in the process of learning how to make our own cured and/or smoked meats, have plans for building a small smokehouse, a second hen house, buy a couple of goats, and on, and on and on…. There seems to be no end to what we need to do and learn. Really, it hasn’t been an unpleasant process and we feel that the knowledge and skilles we have learned along the way will benefit our whole community and family. There’s always something to do it seems.

    I can say that it seems more people are beginning to “wake up and smell the coffee” in comparison to a few weeks ago. It could be that the show has given people new insight in the current state of the world. But there are those who still don’t see what’s happening in order to prepare. We have stopped directly trying to tell people to prepare, as we were continually meeting brick walls. We have changed our tactics and instead we just point out the things that we are seeing, that they don’t likely see or hear about, and leave them to hash it over and do what they will with the information. Either they see it as a threat and prepare or they go back to their current existence. We can’t do more than give them the information. I just don’t see how so many people don’t put 2 and 2 together and get 4. There are so many things that can’t be covered up like the increased cost of groceries and fuel and how broke everyone seems all the time. That speaks volumes in itself.

    We feel blessed to be able to make the preparations we have so far. Just hope it’s enough….

  67. IF “The Event” is survivable, when people run out of food and water, THEY will come – and every day More will keep coming. “Survive” is a powerful command. They will start ‘next door’ and spread out. They are prepared to break in and kill to survive. The panic and fear will drive many blindly forward. One ‘next door’ to the next. The semi-prepared with their skills will flee in ‘every direction’. They WILL find you – soon or later. Hide while you can, stock up as much ammo as you can & prepare to fight and kill each new wave that escapes the cities – or Educate Them now.

    Hoards will come either way. “Doomsday Prepper” – ‘around the end of March’ 2012.
    A public voice in a paranoid world.

    At 66, I’ll risk being ‘the face’ for the SpecOp crowd, the disabled, the immobile, your 87 year old grandma and the “Virtual World” people who believe ‘tomorrow will always be like today.’ There are the “outdoor folks” and the “military people” survivalists – I’m everyone else.

    Be Honest (even with yourself) – Be Excellent – & Walk About Prepared™

  68. Donna Harrison says:

    I have been prepping for disaster for many years–I started making primitive camps usually on the weekends. I was learning to live off the grid and with natural foods and medicines. I chose Northern Minnesota, and seeing a crisis that will hit sooner or later, I moved up here, paid off my credit cards, and other loans, and started stocking food 3 years ago. Problem is outside of dehydrated/freeze dry foods, many fresh foods spoil, canned food expires, therefore, living off of what nature provides that is not well known when grocery stores are empty..I found Northern Minnesota was the most abundant in food sources. I looked at every state, what it provides naturally, the climate I wanted, and population, and decided “up north” was best for me. Since I spent over 50 summers at my family’s cabin near here, I was more familiar with the area and what it provided. In times of crisis, we have to look at survival.

    First you need shelter.
    Northern Minnesota has more timber for shelter cheap or for a small fee, even National Forests here allow taking of downed trees now. That is great for firewood for cooking and heating and shelter. Bark from Birch also available for building canoes and shelter. Also for the outdoor survivalist, any shelter can be made from saplings and spruce/balsm tree branches. If Government still enforces the rules, people can camp in National Forests, but can’t block all these logging roads we have and must move every two weeks.. I know of many free camp sites since I work for the usfs and maintain them. Minnesota can have harsh winters, but unknown to many, one gets used to it. Even I start shivering at 32 degrees in fall, but by the time January comes and it gets up to 20 degrees from 20 below, I am peeling off my coat because I am too hot. Snow can actually act as insulation, so when it gets high, I push it up to my foundation to keep the house warmer. When it stayed below 0 for a while, I froze blocks of water outside to use in my refrigerator, took my freezer food outside in a cooler, and unplugged the refrigerator to save on electric costs. Ice stays longer up here in sawdust as they used to cut ice from the lakes in winter…and by August, my family was still using ice cut from the lakes when we went up to our cabin to fill our “Ice Box” back in the 50’s.

    If one is into permanent shelter, the housing prices up here are the cheapest anywhere with acreage! RE Taxes on off-lake property is very cheap. Here is a sample of a home with acreage– coldwellbankernorthwoods.com/ListingDetails.cfm?ln=9920363

    Next is Food

    Northern Minnesota is great for cold weather crops, root crops, corn, beans, peas, tomatoes, and even apple trees with domestic gardening. However, natural food abounds here unlike most of the USA. Meat is found with deer, moose, bear, beaver, grouse, ducks, geese, squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, muskrat, and fish. I have eaten them all. Did I say fish? In my area, every mile produces a lake, stream, and river full of fish, turtle, frogs, crayfish and waterfowl. There are exploding wild crops of berries (blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, cranberries, wild cherries, and juneberries) I have gathered excess bounty on, and the local population never looks for them. There are too many cattails, duckweed, dandylions, clover, wild hazelnuts, wild roses, wild rice, maple syrup, puffballs, pineapple weed, lilies, columbine, lambs quarters, wintergreen, and not to mention pine bark full of vitamin c to consume. Population varies 5 people per square mile south of here to nearly 1 or less per mile north of here.

    Water? What can I say? 100 thousand lakes in Minnesota over 5 acres in size, uncounted streams and many rivers–mosty CLEAN water up here, as my family (and I) drank directly from our primitive cabin lake for 40 years before we drilled a well. With water comes mosquitos, but in recent years there have been very few…just load up on spay…

    Energy production
    Solar has less use in winter since the sun shines 1 hr less in winter than 300 miles south, and summer has an hour more than lower states do….but the wind does blow in clearings for wind turbine power. If wood was converted to an energy source with a boiler, you could use it very well since most wood is nearly free with some work getting it cut and split. Wood stoves provide heat for the home, a cooktop in colder weather, a water heater if connected to it or use in a kettle as I do, and also is used as a clothes dryer as I do. (I save $60 a month in electric costs using my wood stove). The costs in using wood stoves for heating, take my example–half the cost is $400 in propane, and 2.5 cords of hardwood firewood of $300 for the whole season for 1200 sq ft home. I bought firewood this season because I had an injury and couldn’t cut any. Position of the wood stove is crucial–put it in the middle of the home……

    If some “expurts” think everyone from the city 250 miles away will rush up here and destroy all the edible food if there is a crisis, one has to consider most city people don’t have the guns for hunting, may not have the gas if scarce or can’t afford it to get up here at high gas prices, don’t have boats to get to the best fishing areas, and don’t know what wild food they can eat (as I found out talking to the locals including native Americans living here). Most paniced people in the cities will raid their closest local farms in their area. Sadly, too many poor people only know of food stamps and what the government gives them.

    Safe from Nuclear attacks…no reason to bomb here. …Far away from the cities and areas that are a threat to our enemies.

    Northern Minnesota is an ideal place to live before or after a disaster if independent. Jobs are not plentiful working for someone else up here, most are seasonal. I came up here independent as a self employed person, but the economy crash in 2007 affected me in my retail on-line business and it made me work for others PT. I could survive without it, but extra income helps for those emergencies. I have lived in Pa, La, Az, and stayed in Ca, Co, Mt, Fl, numerous states, but most of all, I love living up north here the most where the loons pitch their haunting sirens, echoing across the lakes while I fish out of my boat, catching hold of the “Big One” in my pristine solitude…..

    • Good description. Few places are perfect and the income limits and cold weather should keep you from too many neighbors. Originally as a SHOW ME boy, I think I can still handle the cold and heat with limited electricity up north better than the long hot season down south here in Houston.

  69. right after 911, our family got together for supper at a restraunt. we talked about what would happen if that had only been the start and things got worse. they decided that since I owned guns they would come to our house. ok by me as they are family.

    I told them to be sure to bring any food items,clothing,medicines,and a sleeping bag or blankets. a tent would be nice but we could manage without. I could go for a year or more with what I have stocked and we have a good well and city water to boot.

    and some of them thought I was crazy buying guns. funny how things change.

  70. Roger W. Grim D.C. says:

    Hi David, My wife & I have your course and we have enjoyed it tremendously. I am presently 74 years young and have had a Boy Scout mentality since I was a Boy Scout! The motto is “Be Prepared”…….! Personally I believe that is not only in an Emergency situations, in every day LIFE! As for me I do not leave the house even to go to the grocery store or out to eat, with less than 2 ways to protect myself & my bride of 48 years. I always carry a pocket knife, a 2 million volts stun gun, a neck survival knife with 3″ blade, or my pocket pistol. Some people would say I’m crazy, but I don’t want ever to be put in a situation like a few years ago an attorney that was liscensed to carry went into a Mc Donalds in The State of California, I forgot the name of the town, and a gunman came in and started shooting & killing people, and she lost her parents. Afterwards she said she could have stopped the situation from getting worse and maybe her parents would be alive today, if she had her gun in her purse and not in the car. We have been doing a lot of things you describe in your Urban Survival course and since getting it we have learned so much more. I would like to move before all breaks loose to 2 – 5 acres in the right place and a much more secure location. Thank you for your course. Roger & Lettie

    • Roger, the Mcdonalds incident occurred in South San Diego and will forever be in the minds of the residents. San Diego, like most of California, is a place where CCW permits for self protection are next to non-existing. I was a police officer there and the case was heart wrenching. When I retired, I couldn’t get out soon enough, and will never move back. Unless absolutely necessary, I wouldn’t reccomend anybody move to a state such as California, where individual rights are becoming less and less by the day. Marty

  71. What about transportation if there is no gas and no motorized vehicles? We would be back to the horse and buggy days. Where is the best place to get a buggy? what kind is ideal? has anyone looked into this? At some point people may need to relocate and they certainly can’t carry everything on their backs.

    • Bicycles !
      I travelled 60 miles a day, with about 300lb of assorted fun strapped to my bike for a few months ( You can get 30mi a day on foot or with a horse under good travel) There are some nifty child trailers now that look good for another couple hundred lb, on pavement.
      Talking day-to-day survival, the wing mirror I scrounged from the tip and wired under my handlebars saved my life at least twice, when I was able to dive my bike off into the bushes to avoid trucks & SUVs with the stereo blaring.
      Four 1 gallon bladders of water (guess what was in them first ) and one of wine hung in the front wheel panniers gave steering stability and a small aerodynamic advantage, especially in the rain.
      That was the first mountain-bike I owned, not built for speed, no suspension, fat tyres with thorn-guard liners. Had to modify the seat, but ( fake sheepskin !)
      Hiding off the road for a couple of days was easy, too. That was twenty years ago, and sleeping on the rocks isn’t as much fun as it used to be, but it’s “character building”!
      Our survival must have a purpose, beyond simple animal living, and knowing and sharing with like-minded (and different) people about things like art and spirituality must be high on the list of NEEDS. God bless you all.

    • Buggy’s and wagons are available in lots of rural areas. The problem is in a properly trained horse. A horse is a ‘prey’ animal. Its defense is to run from danger. If not properly trained, it will require ‘blinders’ so it cannot see the buggy ‘chasing’ behind it. If it gets sight of the wagon or buggy, it will take off trying to escape. If this is something you’re thinking about, get started now cause it will take some time training and aquiring the equipment. Marty

    • I look at the Amish and try to gain some insight into how they manage without electricity or motorized vehicles. They travel and farm with horses. And are willing to pay for other means of transportation when neccesary. They don’t have telephones or computers and do very well in our part of the country. I have been looking for the right horse to add to my growing list of animals. We currently have chickens, for eggs, ducks, goats for meat and milk and rabbits which can multiply into a large amount of meat in a short period of time. I planted fruit trees and am starting seeds for a large garden this year. I can meat and dehydrate various foods and have a spring within a hundred feet of my house. I still feel very unprepared for whatever is coming but have learned to trust in the Lord. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. God Bless you and yours, Lindalee

    • If I were you, and I wanted to know that … I’d ask the Amish. Seriously.

      Check out Lehmans.com for a bunch of other Amish/homesteading stuff.

  72. My family and I live in the suburbs. Like most of you before me, it would be nice to have a small group of neighbors to work with, unfortunately, how do you approach your neighbors? Again, like most of you, I’ve been prepping by myself under the radar. I’ve been prepping for a couple of months now. For myself, wife and daughter I’m close to having a couple of months worth of food and water. But, still need to get more. How much food and water do you REALLY think will be enough? I don’t want to go overboard but do want to have enough for my family. I was thinking 3-6 months. Any thoughts?

    Again, like most of you, I plan on staying in the home. My family has no where to go (A cabin, a shelter in the country or woods, etc.) so I do plan on having my home strongly protected (guns, ammo, etc.) I guess all you can do is as much as you can. Sometimes it’s hard to prepare for something that you really don’t know is, when or how badly it will happen.

    • The easiest way to find people in your neighborhood is when an emergency happens (power goes out, cops down the street, ambulance drives into your neighbors driveway, etc.) go outside and see who seems to be prepared for the situation (lights on because of a generator, lights out to not be a target, offers to help the people in need with a flashlight or other item) these people are prepared talk to them they will be part of the team you build

    • Jeff, my wife and I live in a older single wide mobile home on 23 acres. We don’t have much stoage room inside, but she has bee able to put up a years worth of food.You just need to find out the best way to use the space you have.We also have no plans on buging out, but if 100 zombie bikers show up at the gate, we will grab our bug out bags and get just far enough away to return after they have left. Best of luck.

    • Jeff, if it were me and you have the room, the more food and supply storage, the better. You may need to help others, and you don’t want your family to suffer or be in need. My family can survive for up to two years. We rotate our supplies and can our meats. We have a large basement, so for us it’s not a problem. I’m able to hunt deer and elk, which is great for my daughter and I. My wife refuses to eat wild game, not because she is against hunting, just doesn’t like it. The more the better, and it will never go bad as long as you rotate. Marty

  73. I recently gave up my apartment in NYC but my former apartment mates still live there. I have warned them both, both veterans and middle aged. I noticed that Queens, NYC would be impossible to evacuate should a disaster happen there or if TEOTWAWKI occurs. I would recommend that anyone who can leave NYC have a quick evacuation plan or leave now. It took me, on a good day without rush hour about 1hour and 45minutes to get off Long Island.
    I live in a rural setting now and am fully prepared for whatever.

  74. I think that the ten mile buffer sounds good, but is not practical for me because of work. That being said, I am just trying to get out of the city. As far as prepping, I am married with two young daughters and have limited knowledge for survival so I would prefer to do it behind the scenes, but also form a mutual aid team for economic and learning purposes. I am just having difficulty finding others in my area that feel the need to prepare. I live just north of Cincinnati and I am a skilled tradesman in the Piping/HVAC/Welding trades so I have that to bring to the table. I have also been training with small firearms, learning to hunt, and in self defense. If you have any suggestions for me I would greatly appreciate it!

    • Hi Jack Rambo,

      I grew up around Covington, KY so I’m not that far from you, and I know the area well. You’re doing the right things now. I live in South Korea now and so I have to consider an attack from North Korea, and I plan for that with my family and friends here. So here’s how I talk to people about prepping without sounding crazy about it. First, I tell them that because of the political situation here, it’s advisable that you have copies of your passport and other documents copied and on a USB stick in possible, along with some food and water to have on standby. Second, because we live in a rural area that we could be vulnerable to a power outage, or snow storms so it makes since to keep a little extra food on stand by. So far these things have sounded reasonable to them and some have acted on it. Third, like you I spend time in the woods improving my craft, except I don’t hunt (Long story short guns are highly regulated and expensive here) so I focus on searching for natural resources, navigation, and primitive skill development. I also teach some of these things to my son, and his friends. But for them I teach it more as a Boy Scout lesson or a fun “What If zombies were coming scenario?” The point is I present the information in a way that is considered “reasonable”
      by other people, so they are more open to it. Try that approach. For your self defense training, try Tim Larkin, his stuff is better than anything I learned in the Army, TaeKwon Do, Hap Ki Do, Judo, etc.

      I hope the best for you.

  75. I am a mormon so I have been putting away food and water for acouple of years we live in a small town in NC but my husband will retire next year and we are moving to Montana in the mountains away from people its nice to have others with you but then it would be like having the govement with you all over again a leader one who tells you what to do. So for us it will be our family that way we have people but we also can trust the people with us but for others they need alot of peolpe around them we dont we like to be able to do what we want when we want so I hope that anyone who wants to just have family around its fine hope that everyone gets ready for the fall because its coming when no body knows but hope everyone will be ready we are always learning new things thats really all you can do so GOD BLESS YOU

  76. It is a quandary. If you let people around you know what you are about, you are the target when it hits the fan. If you stay underground, you stand alone. Neither one is doable in the case of extreme and long term survival. To find like minded people is difficult without exposing yourself to a certain degree. We need a code. However, that would be compromised early on. I don’t know of any answer, but I think it is best to be out of urbania for sure, out of suburbia if possible, and into protected places. However, you can’t do proper security on your own for any length of time, so there you have it. Just be sure wherever you are, you have #1, water; #2, food; #3 shelter; #4 firearm protection. If you can find all that on one location, it might not be the most ideal, but it is ahead of the game for most people most of the time. It isn’t so much whether you can survive, but will others around you allow you to survive. That is the problem.

  77. Dr. Prepper says:

    Here’s my scenario: I live in a 55+ community…..so there are NO young bucks. There are approx. 400 lots. We have a concrete block x 6′ tall wall around the “Compound” with a guard shack at the only entrance[ we get out anyway]. As you would imagine there are people here that require daily care and help with life’s necessities. Emt’s are here almost everyday. On the other end {me} there are some fit and very active residents.
    I have toyed with the idea of seeing how many would be open to “prepping” our community. I think the best way to start is with a small group within and build outward. With so many active people it would be easy to guard the perimeter and block off the only easy access by the guard shack. The thing that concerns me is the total number of people to feed and have enough water for. We have an aquaduct within 100′ but I do not know if it will continue to flow or for how long. There is NO hunting even close to here. So, do I try or continue on the sly?
    I am also currently looking for my bugout location. Hard to find in the southwest with water, plus being defensible. I do not think long term survival is possible at my current location due to the lack of sustainable water and food and storage space. Right now I am about 3 mos self-reliant and building.
    You know what’s a great feeling? When you know your spouse is on board! I have been prepping kinda on my own. Then out of the blue the other day the wife says ” Hey, you what else were gonna need?”. Another convert!
    Have you got a similiar story? Be kinda fun to hear other people’s “Moment” of getting onboard?

  78. My approach is to meet everyone we do business with. I look for signs of military background, interest in gardening, hunting, building, healing, etc. I now know whom to cultivate, but not bother with a lot of creepy talk about prepping. All our preparations are as far off the radar as I can get it.

  79. Shawn patterson says:

    I agree on the approach of quietly identifying other preppers an when you feel that they can be trusted you can begin to talk about building a team. On the ideal place to live topic. I have been looking into moving and have givin this much thought. First i want to be able to control the avenues of approach as much as possible an preferably have only two AOAs. Second i want to be able to see a good distance but still remain somewhat concealed and hidden. I would prefer to have some natural obsticles such as a ditch or blackberry bushes. I also want to be on a slightly south facing slope for solar heating and for protection against prevailing north winds. I dont want to be to far from neighbors but i dont want them to be able to carry on a conversation with me from theyre front poarch either. But hey this is “ideal” right lol.

  80. I’m one of the loners—-but not by choice. I’ve causually dropped the topic, but mostly get the “eye roller” bit. I do not discuss my plans with any one. I’m a single male, live in a small town—–home town USA. I’ve taken the Urban Survival coarse and highly recommend it. Tons of ideas I would have never thought of on my own. I’ve been at this for a bit over a year and continue to prepare as funds become availiable. Currently, I’m good for maybe 3-4 months with food and water. Arms consist of 9 mm Glock and 9mm carbine and a fair amount of amno. This combo is handy—-may need revision.
    Being a loner makes op-sec a problem. If need be, relocation is a possibility. For the time being, I continue prepare. I really enjoy reading the reponses on this site. I welcome all ideas and suggestions. Thanks to all for the ideas.

    • About going it alone—somebody wrote that “you can live as long as you can stay awake”—not a very pleasant thought. Looks like we are all going to need a little/lot of help.

      • Loners/small groups need a couple dogs to help with security. They’ll let you know if/when something’s amiss, and in a bugout they can carry some stuff if you have packs or make a travois like the injuns used. Properly trained, they’ll also help you hunt and can find lost persons or stuff. Plus, they can be trusted and if treated right, will willingly give their life in defense of their “pack”.

  81. For the past 2 years I have become more concerned with the need to stockpile modest amounts of supplies including silver for barter. No where close to 1 year supply, more like 3 months and not yet complete. Difficult to stock too much in a modest suburban home with no basement!!!
    For over a year, I have been emailing Survival prepping suggestions (such as David and others supply) and Situational (political) Awareness to family and friends and after receiving almost ZERO replies I have advised my contact group that unless they request I will drop them from my list. Very disappointed that only 3 have indicated any interest in being ready for what MIGHT happen.
    RETREAT: I grew up on the perfect retreat, 140 acres in the hills with 12 acre private lake, well, springs, pasture, garden, lots of trees and wildlife with nearest neighbors 1/2 mile away. Located 1 mile from nearest (2 lane) highway, 3 and 7 miles from nearest towns, 20 miles from small cities and 75 miles from nearest large city. In the event of major SHTF, remoteness would limit possibility of attack by Urban Refugees.
    My alternate would be 10-20 acres with similar natural resources and capable of building an earth sheltered home / mini fortress somewhat removed from Evacuation routes.

    • @JJM

      We have a very large home, but if the SHTF we are also a target. The reason I feel this is that one year when we were still doing the Trick-or-Treat thing, one lady said to my husband, “I wish I lived in your house and you lived in mine”. That statement alone woke me up. Anyway, that gave me the inclination that when/if this happens, they will be looking to us for provisions. So, even though we are moving our stuff to a storage because we are relocating, you can store your supply in one for lack of space at your home. It is better to have it when you need it, rather that not having it because of space.

  82. An excellent way for the average person to gain some training and meet like minded people in disaster preparedness is through the Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) training that most states support through grants from FEMA. I had the good fortune to help start this program in the State of Indiana 8 or 9 years ago. The goal of this program is to help people in the community work through didaster issues when the first responders are overloaded and cannot get to you for hours or days. Skills taught include; basic firefighting, search and rescue, first aid, terrorism awareness,disaster psychology, planning, supply kits, and pet care. Check with your County Emergency Management Agency to see if they are supporting this program. Email me if you have specific questions. Be Safe.

    • Is this a government funded program that would keep tabs on the people involved in it? I considered trying to get something going in our area but had alot of concerns about the fact that FEMA was a part of it.

  83. There is no doubt that preparing as a group would be the best way to go in a suburban situation. More eyes to watch, a bigger diversafication of resources, many thoughts on problem solving issues, many more defenders, and if one falls there others to help take care of their family. The fly in the ointment is who can you trust and how many is too many? I’d love to have a group to help out but, I’m the non-trusting type and so I choose to go it on my own. I don’t particularly like it but………………

  84. At most, my friends seem to think preparedness is up to the government for the most part. A sign of the degree of dependency that has become ingrained in our culture.

  85. It’s a tough call. You want others to get prepared along with you, so that they won’t come banging on your door with nothing to add WTSHTF. You know that the more people around you that are prepared the better it will be, but you risk letting everyone know that you are preparing. The old Catch 22. You also feel an obligation to let people know what is coming. Coach David

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